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2012 Hercules: Don Kuehne

Hercules Patch asked some prominent Hercules citizens to predict the future. Read their thoughts and share yours.

 

As Hercules comes out of a turbulent year, Hercules Patch asked some residents what they expect, hope and fear for 2012.

Here's what resident and former Hercules City Councilman Don Kuehne said. Share your own predictions in the comments or see the note at the end of this article if you'd like your thoughts published as a separate article.

Where you think Hercules will be by the end of 2012 and where do you hope Hercules will be? Where do you fear Hercules might be?

  • The new Council's lack of experience and knowledge of city government will affect the quality and timeliness of critical decisions.
  • The personnel changes at City Hall do not address the root cause of the management and financial problems.  The organizational structure needs to change to provide the necessary financial controls and accountability.  I recommended some real solutions last spring that included election of a City Treasurer and City Clerk by the voters.
  • I am hopeful that the City will be able to balance the budget through a combination of cost-cutting and revenue-enhancing measures.
  • I am concerned that special interest groups have taken over City Hall and will not do what is best for Hercules.
  • The new Council has NOT restored trust in city government as promised.
  •  I am hopeful that the City will find the right business partner to complete construction of Sycamore North.
  • I am afraid that the City could face bankruptcy but this should be avoided if possible.

Post your reaction in the comments below. If you'd like your 2012 Hercules predictions published as a separate article, please send your answers to the above questions to laila.kearney@patch.com. Include your first and last name and a photo of yourself that clearly shows your face.

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Laila Kearney

2:58 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

Comment to your heart's desire. But keep them civil, please. Thanks.

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Glenn Abraham

7:18 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

Next, please: the expectations, hopes and fears of Ayatollah Balico.

Chris Tallerico

3:07 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

I fear that Mr. Kuehne isnt done with politics in Hercules.

I hope that Councilman Boulanger resigns

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Sarah Creeley

7:16 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

Chris, it is obvious Boulanger has no intention of resigning.

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Chris Tallerico

7:50 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Yeah but I can hope, cant I...?

Carol

3:50 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

OMG - I cannot believe this guy even wrote something!. The problems the city is facing is directly related to his actions and the actions of the prior city council members. The nerve he has thinking we Herculeans buy his line of you know what. Mr. Kuehne was RECALLED - maybe he forgot that? No way do we need any of his advice. Thanks but no thanks!

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G.C.

6:30 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

Mr. Kuehne,
First, I want to say thank you for providing your input. Regardless of your status as a recalled candidate, you have experience and a perspective most of us lack. I would like to know why you recommended treasurer and clerk as positions to be decided at the ballot, but not the position of City Manager. Do you have any thoughts on the "strong mayor" approach that was used in Oakland and other cities?

Regarding special interest groups, what can we do to make their role more transparent to the citizenry? We have a lot of development going on in our city, so one needs to be aware of the special interests represented by all involved with such. I do want to know who is connected with whom. As they say, follow the money trail. Is the money trail visible? If not, what can we do to shine the light on it?

I hope we all can have a civil, informative discussion here. Please respond if you are so inclined. I greatly welcome your input! Thank you.

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G.C.

7:56 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

Mr. Kuehne,
I believe our new city manager has already made up for the city council's lack of experience and knowledge. Just look at the strategic plan document. That alone is a roadmap out of the mess we have found ourselves in as a result of actions of the previous city government, complete with specifics-tangibles. I believe this document is evidence that real solutions are on the way. We are lucky to have Mr. Duran. He will lead the way.

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Glenn Abraham

9:52 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

Lack of experience and knowledge? Mayor Dan has been immersed in Hercules government affairs for 9 years now. Myrna served (very well indeed) on the Planning Commission before running for Mayor. Bill Wilkins has had a lifetime of muni experience in Oakland. John Delgado is excellent. The current council has NO lack of experience and knowledge.

You want ignorance? The idiotic, thought-free votes of Kuehne and Valstad and Ward, and those of the drunk-driving pistol-packing Joe Eddy, were stupid beyond conception. If Valstad had learned anything in his years of ribboncutting, he sure didn't put it to much use when he was in office. Yes, a few of the more slithery types connected with the Valstad Council knew EXACTLY what they were doing...but they sure didn't use that knowledge for the benefit of Hercules.

Kuehne's council was totally lacking in competence and commitment and ethics. The Romero Council is knowledgable, experienced, engaged, competent, and I trust them completely. It's good that Kuehne has such a low opinion of the current council...given his delusional conception of good governance, we are fortunate to have a council which earns two thumbs down from Dr. (how can that be?) Kuehne.

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Don Kuehne

2:52 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012

G.C. - Thanks for your interest in wanting to discuss some of the points I made in my commentary. Here are my responses to your questions:

I recommended fundamental organizational changes, like election of a City Clerk and City Treasurer, because too much power is concentrated in the position of City Manager, which can lead to some of the abuses we have seen in the past. We need a more democratic form of government where important decisions are made by a leadership team. I have suggested one of several ways this can be accomplished.

“Special interests” refers to those who think only about what is best for themselves and their group, organization or business and NOT what is best for Hercules. These people are usually narrowly focused and intolerant of other viewpoints. The money trail is often difficult to follow because the details are buried in financial records not readily available to the public or Council members. Better financial controls and increased reporting requirements are needed.

Lack of experience and knowledge of how government works is true for anyone first elected to the City Council, regardless of their previous community service. There is a steep learning curve for those new on the Council.

Having a new Strategic Plan is good. I commend the new City Manager and Council for making this a top priority. The challenge, as always, will be in executing the plan.

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G.C.

3:26 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012

Thank you, Mr. Kuehne, for helping me better understand the governance of our city. Take care.

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Jeffrey Boore

4:35 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012

Mr. Kuehne,

It seems to me as well that the city manager has had too much power in the past, but haven't we always had a leadership team in the form of the city council to make the crucial decisions for our city? You say that we need a more democratic form of government, but isn't the real problem that the democratic form of government we've had in recent years (i.e., an elected council to represent the will of the people), failed in its leadership responsibilities (for example, by approving profligate spending on Red Barn, NEO Consulting, HDR, and Field of Dreams, by spending tens-of-millions of dollars in money borrowed for waterfront development on unrelated, boondoggle land purchases, by the Sycamore North fiasco, by failing to work toward the implementation of the popular Waterfront Initiative, and perhaps most notoriously, by the firing of Charlie Long for bringing sense to this city and then the rehiring of Nelson Oliva in order to give him a sweetheart severance package)?

You define "special interests, but I think that most readers here know what the term means. I think that the question was asking you to name the specific group(s) indicted by your claim that "special interest groups have taken over City Hall" and defend that position.

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Glenn Abraham

6:07 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012

Recalled (by about 85% of the electorate) Councilman Kuehne has responded only to the softball questions of his solitary fawning supporter, and his "answers" are mush. WHICH special interests control the Romero Council? Kuehne makes the accusation but identifies no specific organizations or individuals, in the great tradition of Senator Joseph McKuehne's long ago Wheeling Speech: "The State Department is infested with communists. I have here in my hand a list of 205...."

I can name a few special interests in Hercules politics: the Oliva Gang, the Balico Gang, the Sakamoto consultancies, the Weigel SpendingSpree Party Season...special interests, and dangerous, but dating from the Valstad Council, KUEHNE'S bunch, and not the current council. Is Kuehne finally ready to renounce Balico? Or does he just wish to have a special definition of "special interests"? And then there's those out-of-town trades unions which helped finance his Don'tRecallMeYouIdiots campaign. People "who think only about what is best for themselves and their group, organization or business and NOT what is best for Hercules"? Like that union in Martinez?

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Glenn Abraham

6:08 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012

More Kuehne!:

"The money trail is often difficult to follow because the details are buried in financial records not readily available to the public or Council members. Better financial controls and increased reporting requirements are needed." You're referring to the Red Barn records, right? And the two city employees responsible for auditing and approving those records, Steve Lawton and Gloria Leon: right? And the others who had to approve Weigel's expenditures, the city councilmembers serving at the time of Weigel's Party. That was you, right?

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G.C.

8:37 pm on Sunday, January 22, 2012

Mr. Kuehne,
Some of the items you mentioned, such as better financial controls, should be consistent with some sort of auditing standards or criteria for accreditation of local government, yes? The members of the city government and the citizens should be knowledgeable of such standards in order to help ensure maximum oversight.

Any "strategic plan" document should be consistent with such standards. I do not know if ours is, although I found the document very impressive. During your term, your request for the audit was truly a step in the right direction.

Other than Robert's Rules, were you were aware of any such standards for local government operation? Such standards could have provided a template of sorts to guide council members with their duties.

Can our city government pursue any sort of accreditation? This would provide additional assurance to the citizens that our city is on the right track. I need to review the Grand Jury report. Perhaps, such standards were cited in this document.

Thanks again,
Giorgio

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G.C.

6:45 am on Wednesday, February 1, 2012

Mr. Kuehne,
In the following article, Mr. Boulanger promised to implement a new procedures for the purpose of ensuring a more ethical government.

http://hercules.patch.com/articles/city-council-candidate-profile-gerard-boulanger

What one key procedural change in your mind would visibly raise the bar for ethical standards of our city government?

Glenn Abraham

6:41 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

Tomorrow, Father Nelson Oliva and Sister Taylor will deliver a homily on distinguishing between family interests and public duties. Tomorrow evening, Friday (the 13th), after the sun has set and the darkness set in, Brother Balico and Sidekick Sakamoto will offer a seminar on how to realize maximum private revenue from public office. Saturday: Steve Lawton and Gloria Leon will explore nuances of auditing that special someone. Sunday, the Viking, Kris Valstad, will explain how to maximize one's personal incompetence when applied to public service. Let no ribbon remain uncut!

As for the kuehnewisdom expressed above:

•"The new Council has NOT restored trust in city government as promised": Yes, they have (except for Pinocchieaux Boulanger, but Boulanger's lies reflect only on himself, and do NOT restore trust in the Balico Council);

•"I am concerned that special interest groups have taken over City Hall and will not do what is best for Hercules.": what special interest groups is Dr. Kuehne thinking of? I could name quite a few special interests which were running Hercules (into the ground) in Kuehne's time: the Balico family and the various businesses of its various members; the Oliva family and NEO Inc.; Weigel and his Red Barn; Sakamoto and his consultancies; the Oliva-installed employees in City Hall. Lotsa special interests when Kuehne was around. Can't think of any now.

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Glenn Abraham

6:56 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

more!

•"I am concerned that special interest groups have taken over City Hall and will not do what is best for Hercules." Kuehne's nasty campaign flyers were financed by out-of-town trade unions. Surely no one is more concerned with What is Best for Hercules than a labor leader out in Martinez.

•"I am afraid that the City could face bankruptcy but this should be avoided if possible." Now he fears it and wishes to avoid it? A year ago, he was doing his best to ensure it.

•" I am hopeful that the City will find the right business partner to complete construction of Sycamore North.": things were so much better when Kuehne's Oliva was involved, and was preparing to build a brand new Iron Triangle there.

•"I am hopeful that the City will be able to balance the budget through a combination of cost-cutting and revenue-enhancing measures.": Yes, quite unlike the Valstad Council's work at budget-massacre through cost-enhancing measures, Oliva-enriching measures, outrageous gifts to Weigel, and enhanced pink-fairy-and-cotton-candy revenue from absurd projects like the Field of Nightmares, which produced a lot of something, but it sure wasn't revenue.

"•The new Council's lack of experience and knowledge of city government will affect the quality and timeliness of critical decisions.": Does anyone miss the quality of Kuehne's decisions?

Would anyone like to see this guy back on the council?

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Don Kuehne

10:34 pm on Tuesday, January 31, 2012

Glenn: Your comment about the source of my campaign funds is incomplete, misleading, and unfair to labor, which is an important constituency in our community. It is true that I received some contributions from labor organizations; however, nearly 80% of my campaign expenses were paid from personal funds that I contributed to my committee. All of my campaign finance statements are on file at City Hall and available for public review.

The June 2011 election results are old news but you misrepresented the amount of support for my recall. ‘Electorate’ is defined as “all those qualified to vote in an election,” not just those that actually voted. Based on a total of 12,035 registered voters, only 3004 voted for recall, which is 25%, not 85%. Voter turn out was relatively low at 31.6%.

The first place to look for special interests is in the mirror. We all have our special interests and there is nothing wrong in pursuing them, unless we violate the rights of others in the process.

Carol

7:18 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

Glenn - you go guy!!!! Mr Kuehne what are you thinking? Do you really believe your tenure on the council was spotless? Now all of a sudden you actually care what happens to this city? Why didn't you care back then? You claim special interest groups are running the city? Really Don? Name them. It is more smoke and mirrors. You are trying to make the new council look bad. Nice try but it doesn't fly. It is going to take a long time for the city and the council to get Hercules back on track after the last few councils ran us into the ground - that includes Don Kuehne! I think the new council has made great strides in doing so - shame on you Mr. Kuehne.

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Carol

7:20 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

The more I think about what he wrote the more disgusted I get.

@G.C. - I am not sure, unless you are a Kuehne supporter why you would even want someone who was responsible for where we are right now giving us advice? It boggles my mind...

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G.C.

7:42 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

I just want to hear him out. I even read-listen to your comments.

Carol

9:31 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

@ G.C. - dont get me wrong - people have a right to their opinion, but given the track record of Mr. Kuehne and his fellow council members, his word and expertise is worthless in MY OPINION. All are entitled to theirs...Why did he not bring this up back then? Why did he agree to fire Charlie Long? As far as I can see, its too little too late....

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Tim Craig

10:18 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

Kuehne-your attempt to paint yourself as the reformer didn't work during the recall election and is even more pathetic now.
Glenn-great comments and further proof the intelligence of one concerned Hercules citizen is 100 times that of the previous City Clownsel.

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Glenn Abraham

12:02 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Many thanks, Tim. The Donald always brings out the best in me.

Susan D.Keeffe

10:51 pm on Thursday, January 12, 2012

Laila
Thanks! I got a good giggle out of this one! I'm not sure which was funnier, Kuehne's comments or Glenn's remarks. Great entertainment either way. Georgio (G. C.) I agree. I'm all for transparency. If Kuehne has evidence and knowledge of any of the remaining City iHall employees having special interests related to anything that has been going on, he needs to identify and name them. I'm confident Tom Lochner is still hard at work and the Oliva trial should be very illuminating. Perhaps even Kuene's special interests including his support of the floundering HMU will come to light.

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Glenn Abraham

12:53 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

It's been a fun day. I look forward to Laila's next choice of a Herculean to share expectations, hopes and fears for 2012. Is Balico still out on bail?

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G.C.

6:01 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Susan,
It is probably a bit awkward for you, yes? The Patch asked you for your input last week and you probably thought that meant the Patch viewed you as "credible" or a highly valued member of the community or someone "knowledgeable."

Then you now see they ask a recalled councilman to give his thoughts and you're thinking "Hey Patch, what up?"
The Patch said they interviewed "prominent" citizens. Here are some definitions of the word "prominent."

1. Standing out so as to be seen easily; conspicuous; particularly noticeable: Her eyes are her most prominent feature.

2. Standing out beyond the adjacent surface or line; projecting.

3. Leading, important, or well-known: a prominent citizen.

Glenn's request for comments from Mr. Balico would be consistent with the theme the Patch has chosen.

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Jeffrey Boore

10:38 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

@G.C. - That sure is a lot of supposition and condescension! Do you really think that people here don't know what the word "prominent" means? What is the basis for this mean-spirited and unwarranted personal attack?

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G.C.

6:18 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

Susan,
Jeffrey misunderstood me, so let me rephrase it by placing the emphasis on me instead of you, ok? I apologize for using you as an example, but you were the first subject. By the way, I liked your interview, but the last part brought me down so low. Your dark predictions hit me hard because I respect your intellect, so I fear that your predictions could possibly happen.

Back to Jeffrey's misinterpretation of my post, substituting me instead of you. Here goes.

If "I" had been featured last week, I would have been flattered. I would have believed I was selected because the Patch found me credible or something along those lines. Then, the following week, I see that they interview a recalled councilman, so then I wonder to myself "What's up?" What is the criteria for selection?

That is when I took a closer look at the definition of the word "prominent." I was teaching myself in the process. I apologize if I offended anyone.

Whew!

Susan D.Keeffe

8:22 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Georgio,
Good grief. You've got to be kidding. This just gets funnier and funnier. Go Glenn! Can't wait to see who's next!

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Phil Simmons

8:34 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Glenn,
Well stated. You hit the bullseye.

But giving benefit to the doubt in one comment, may the comment was
"I am concerned that an especially interesting group have taken over City Hall" ( - ;

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Glenn Abraham

10:25 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Phil, things will never again be as interesting as in the years when the Balico Bunch ran this town (into the ground). All we have now is ethical and competent governance. That's great, but nobody does comedy like Valstad & Co.

Carol

8:39 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

@ G.C. - how about a prominent citizen that was NOT partially responsible for why this article even needed to be written.

Laila - who picked the people asked for their opinions? Because frankly, he was a bad choice. As would Oliva or Balico. It's tantamount to having put the fox back in the hen house.

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Susan D.Keeffe

8:50 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Phil,
But the term " City Hall" implied staff not just Counvil. The majority of staff are not new and a really good objective selection process was utilized for the selection of the new City Manager and City Attorney. So if Kuehne really knows of special interests at work he needs to clarify and tell us who. And the Balico/ Sakemoto / Oliva team was more than interesting! They were devastating!

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Phil Simmons

10:36 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Susan,
But it still remains. City Hall is an especially interesting group. Perhaps not as interesting as the previous group but interesting in their own special ways.

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Glenn Abraham

10:47 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Dunno. Gloria Leon is a tough act to follow.

Susan D.Keeffe

9:29 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Carol,
I'd love to hear the Balico/ Sakemoto / Oliva comments! Especially their view of Hercules' future ! Greatest fears? Jail?

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Glenn Abraham

10:30 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Good one, Sue.

I expect that there are a lot of people from the balicoliva era who are giving a lot of thought to the location of their suitcases and passports. Does anyone know the number for Aladdin Bail Bonds?

Douglas Bright

9:36 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Perhaps we should have had these people build Sycamore North:
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/thinking-tech/amazing-video-30-story-hotel-built-in-just-15-days/9823
If they can build 30 stories in 15 days...I guess they could have completed construction of Sycamore North in 2 days.

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Jeffrey Boore

10:17 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Our current council has quite a bit of experience in city government, generally speaking. The fact that not all of that has been in Hercules seems to me like a major advantage, since it brings fresh perspectives to our problems. Even considering just their tenure on the Hercules City Council, de Vera and Delgado have been seated for 13 months and the other three for seven months. How long was Don Kuehne on the City Council again?

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Jeffrey Boore

10:32 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

If there is any mistrust in the current city government, it is certainly residual of the flagrant, consistent, nearly incomprehensible abandonment of responsibility to the public of the preceding City Council on which Mr. Kuehne served.

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Laila Kearney

11:44 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

I chose who to reach out to for these Hercules 2012 pieces with the hope that more community members would submit their responses. Part of the point of this feature is to get a range of voices from prominent Hercules citizens (not Oliva or Sakamoto as some have suggested as they do not live or work in Hercules). Like his past and politics or not, Kuehne is a resident, former council member and currently active in school issues in this city, so he qualifies for this series.

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Phil Simmons

11:55 am on Friday, January 13, 2012

Laila,
Nothing for you to defend here. I think it is a good idea to hear and understand what the political winds may bring and this discussion offers a message for all concerned.
Thanks, good job.

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Glenn Abraham

12:01 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

Steve Lawton still lives here. Gloria Leon fled, but we could try to get her extradited from Napa. Most importantly, balico is still lurking about. I would like to know balico's expectations, hopes and fears for 2012. Something to do with bail, appeals, and the Fifth Amendment. Valstad, too. For someone who had so much to say for so many years, he has been remarkably silent this past year.

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G.C.

7:05 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

Laila,
Well stated. I'm pretty shocked at the negative rxn this article has elicited . Actually, I'm pretty bummed by some of the posters, here. Hateful, approaching a nasty mob mentality. Our city needs to heal, not be angry and nasty.

Ken Morrison

12:35 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

I would like to remind all of this quote, I think this was it from an interview that appeared on the news, " they knew" . Very telling words from Oliva and I think that the City's case against him might really bring everything out. Does any think he will take the blame on his own, I think he will be singing loud and clear. If I were him I would watch my back once this gets going.

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Jeffrey Boore

2:15 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

I would be very surprised if the quick-cycle rehiring and firing of Oliva in late 2010, which allowed him to have a very lucrative severance package, did not come with an agreement for him to stay quiet, thus allowing all of our former City Council members and employees to use him as the boogeyman for everything that went wrong and to escape their own rightful blame. It makes no sense otherwise that Oliva has had so little so say as the public has grown more and more outraged against him. I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve a big heap of the blame, but I'm suspicious that the malfeasance goes much deeper than Oliva, and that his silence was bought by the former City Council (including Don Kuehne, who voted for this plan, which was indefensible even if I'm wrong in my suspicion here) using our money.

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G.C.

6:09 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

Jeffrey,
Nothing mean about my comment at all. Lighten up, ok? I thought this editorial idea of the Patch was worth discussion. No big whoops, right? I was not attacking Susan. I was putting myself in her shoes, so actually supporting her, but it went over your head, whoosh.

To have her featured one week and then a recalled councilman the following week reminded me of Time Magazine's Person of the Year. One year it was Jimmy Carter. The following year it was someone like Khomeini. No, I am not comparing Mr. Kuehne to Khomeini, but cited him for contrast.

The point being that "prominent" doesn't mean you agree with the views or thoughts of the person selected. I thought it was worth commenting on. I think it is great that the Patch has started this series.

Relax...deep breath...visit your happy place......ahhhhhhh. Feel good now? I do.
It isn't still a full moon, is it?

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Susan D.Keeffe

6:25 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

Georgio
Thanks. But next time please check with me first. I thought his remarks were ludicrousl, Glenn was funny and on target and putting Kuehne in was good journalism. I'd love to see Balico's comments. Why don't you write Laa with your responses to the three questions ?

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Susan D.Keeffe

6:28 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012

Dan was the first interview. Now onward......

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G.C.

7:30 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012

Mr. Kuehne,
Your daughter (any other children?) appears to have had a very positive experience in the Hercules school system. Is there more that the city can do to insulate our schools from the problems plaguing the WCCUSD district?

Perhaps some programs should be offered strictly at the city level, including music. The cash-strapped district is possibly trying to do too much with what little monies it does have, compromising the delivery of core subjects, including math. The district can only afford to offer the basics. I'll take another gander at the Ed Fund that you are involved with.

Some of the people who judge you are the same people who lacked the judgment to vet the recall candidates they championed, thus allowing you to be replaced by someone who lied about their experiences-qualifications. I am sure the irony is not lost on you, sir.

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Jeffrey Boore

8:40 am on Saturday, January 14, 2012

@G.C. - Stop with this "vetting" nonsense! This silly criticism has been made now dozens of times. Do average citizens normally have investigative teams to verify the resumes of contenders for a small town City Council? Have you ever contacted the universities of those you support for local office to verify that they actually graduated from those institutions? Why would you expect others to do that?

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G.C.

7:12 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Jeffrey,
Our city was just pilfered for millions of dollars and you call "vetting" nonsense? Are you kidding me?

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Jeffrey Boore

10:04 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

@G.C. - Answer the three questions that I directly asked you and then repeat your scoffing at what I said, then address whether these seem incongruent to you.

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Douglas Bright

6:47 am on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

@G.C. - Did you read his whole post? Jeffrey was calling the expectation that average people had a capability, much less responsibility, to "vet" Boulanger nonsense. He was not calling the need to vet candidates nonsense. Let me add in some words that Jeffrey left out of his initial sentence (probably because he felt they were redundant, given the obvious nature of his post) so that you can understand - "Stop this 'assumption that average people have the time or resources to independently vet every claim made by candidates" nonsense!"

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Jeffrey Boore

9:48 am on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Thank you for the defense, Douglas. Yes, that was exactly what I was trying to say. It is not like the supporters of Boulanger were the Democratic National Party, with thousands of people seeking office and a short list of dozens of contenders and a team of detectives to investigate the backgrounds of each. Many believed that Kuehne had to be recalled and Boulanger was the one person who stepped up out of commitment to the well-being of our city to tackle this very difficult job for little reward. (I wouldn't have been willing to do it, and apparently neither were any of those who are consistently attacking and ridiculing Boulanger on the Patch.) I and an handful of others believed (and I still believe) that he was the better choice over Kuehne, so we volunteered to hand out some yard signs and door flyers on his behalf. This is the team of supporters being vilified for not contacting a university in France to see if he actually finished his degree when he was a student there. This much-repeated accusation that this handful of citizens was irresponsible by not doing so, specifically, is what I'm decrying as nonsense.

David F

11:07 pm on Saturday, January 14, 2012

At Glenn,

I'm definitely in your corner but I don't like using ethnic slurs. We are trying to rise from all of the horrendous acts done by city managers, developers, etc.

I can't blame the patch for trying to get views from every side of the issues. at least Don was willing to say something which is more than can be said for Valstad, McDonald, Ward, and Balico.

I do feel that that any level of government (city, county, state) has been willing to deal with Gerard. I hope Herculeans will join me at the ballot box in November to vote him out.

I would also like to know what DK was referring to with the special interests.

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G.C.

9:20 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Laila is the trained, qualified person responsible for preventing the possible posting of ethnic slurs as it his her responsibility to ensure such are not being posted on the Patch. Perhaps someone can get her input on this.

Glenn Abraham

12:24 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Who used ethnic slurs, Dave? The only ethnicity I can remember mentioning was that of Valstad: Viking. I mentioned the Slithery Types, but Snake is not an ethnicity. The Pink Fairy demographic has never been racially profiled. "Father Nelson Oliva" was not intended as an assault on Catholicism. I just wasted five minutes re-reading all of my posts, and I'm unable to find any trace of any possibility of any ultrahyperensitive person finding any "ethnic slur". If, when you said "At Glenn, I'm definitely in your corner but I don't like using ethnic slurs", just exactly what were you referring to?

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G.C.

9:02 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Glenn,
Possibly, he meant the following use of "Pinocchieaux" Boulanger. I am of Italian and Polish heritage. If you had written "Pinocchini" or "Pinocciasky" with respect to an Italian or Polish candidate who had lied, I might be offended. I am sure you would not have intentionally used such a "slur", as you have shared with us your fondness of the French culture as a result of your experiences living in France.

Having said that, I respect you for being consistent with your seeking his recall, unlike myself. You have not wavered. Although I filed a complaint against him, I backed off in order to prevent further disharmony with our citizens. Our city council censured and fined him, so I believed letting him remain for his term can do no harm.

I acknowledge that at a later date, someone might cite my stance on this matter as an example of being "fickle" or "waffling" or even "lacking judgement." You will never be accused of being fickle or waffling.

Giorgio

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Glenn Abraham

10:04 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Pinocchieaux = racism? He had better have something better than that.

Jeffrey Boore

10:18 am on Sunday, January 15, 2012

@G.C. - We get it, Georgio, you prefer Kuehne over Boulanger. That contest was fought and won. Your guy lost. If the fight wasn't fair, then there is an appeals process that can result in punishment from the state and another that repolls the electorate, so you are welcome to use these mechanisms. I very much doubt that Mr. Kuehne will again sit on the Hercules City Council by will of the people, regardless of your preferences.

As you make your scoffing comment toward me (above), doesn't it strike you as ironic that it was, in fact, Mr. Kuehne who was instrumental in our city being "pilfered for millions of dollars" (to quote you here)? There were exactly two choices - Kuehne, who showed his arrogance and contempt for the people of this city by publicly tearing up the recall petition and tossing it against the wall at a city council meeting and who was a major player in the events that have brought down this city, versus Boulanger, who stated falsely that he graduated from universities that he only attended, but did not graduate from. Given the choice between those two men with these stated shortcomings, my preference certainly was and is Boulanger, who I know also to be committed to hard work and the well-being of this city, over Kuehne, who I know to be arrogant, incompetent, and very possibly a crook. I simply do not understand how you can prefer Kuehne instead.

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David F

3:25 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Glenn, I am referring to your reference at Valstad and the one at McDonald. I am upset with their management of the city as councilmen but being from Norway has nothing to do with it. All of us have ethnic backgrounds we are proud of. I know Kris is proud of his Norwegian background. I would not be happy if you said I was the Jew in the same context. The council should not be identified by nationality or religion. Rather, they should be know as good legislators and caring citizens and honest.

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Glenn Abraham

3:51 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Dave: I called Valstad "the Viking". Is that racist? Valstad is also an American. If I called him "the Yankee", would that be racist? An ethnic SLUR? I referred to MacDonald as "drunk-driving pistol-packing Joe Eddy." What they hell do you see as racist in that? Where is the ethnicity in driving drunk with a concealed loaded gun and withot a permit? He "had a loaded handgun in the glove compartment of his car when El Cerrito police arrested him on suspicion of drunken driving, El Cerrito police Lt. Paul Keith said Friday" (Patch, Councilman McDonald May Face Drunken Driving, Concealed Weapon Charges By Laila Kearney and Charles Burress, November 12, 2010; http://hercules.patch.com/articles/councilman-mcdonald-may-face-drunken-driving-concealed-weapon-charges). This is a man who was arrested for drunk driving and for having "a loaded handgun in the glove compartment" without a permit, and I referred to him as "drunk-driving pistol-packing Joe Eddy," and you were able to find an "ethnic slur" in that? How DARE you? And when did a reference to Scandanavian heritage become a "slur"? Dave Fields, you are ABSOLUTELY OUT OF LINE, and you owe me one helluva apology.

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Laila Kearney

4:14 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

All, here's what I'm thinking needs to be a rule in these comment streams: Disagreeing, even arguing, can be a natural part of conversation and is fine. Name-calling, really, is not. Please don't take this direction personally, just keep it in mind when commenting. Thanks.

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Glenn Abraham

4:30 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Laila: Dave Fields accused me of using ethnic slurs when:

(1) I referred to Joe Eddy MacDonald, who was arrested for drunk driving while carrying a concealed weapon without a permit, as "drunk-driving pistol packing Joe Eddy." That is NOT "name-calling". That is a description of what he actually did. And DUI and illegal weapon carry are not in any sense ethnic.

(2) I called Valstad a Viking. So what? Is that a slur? Are blue-eyed blond Scandavians a hated and persecuted group, so that any reference to their background is seen as a coded ethnic slur?

I am happy to follow your caveat against name-calling. Nothing I said involved name-calling, beyond the cuteness of "Viking". The only name calling was implicit in Dave Fields' claim, FALSE claim, that I used ethnic slurs.

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Phil Simmons

5:02 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Glenn,
You know Odin would not appreciate you disparaging the Vikings that way. You'll never make it into Valhalla that way ( - :

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Glenn Abraham

5:42 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

Yeah, Phil, except that calling Valstad a Viking is not a disparagement of anyone...but I know that you know that. Only one person here seems capable of extracting an "ethnic slur" from a reference to someone's Norwegianness. But, sure, someone has to stand up against further reference to the humiliating and much-maligned status of being a huge, rich, overeducated, blue-eyed blond Scandanavian living in the most advanced countries on the planet.

Yep, I implied that Valstad "maximize[d] one's personal incompetence when applied to public service." That's a slur, and it is well-deserved. It is NOT, no matter how Dave Fields interprets it, "ethnic".

Are ethnicities now proscribed? Will the Fil-Ams have to be dissolved because they recognize an ethnicity. Will their members be glad that they can no longer think of themselves as Flipinos, but rather, only as engineers, nurses, and councilmembers?

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Jeffrey Boore

7:07 pm on Sunday, January 15, 2012

@Glenn Abraham - Are you really making the case that you do not mean the terms "the Viking", “Ayatollah Balico”, “Le weasel” “Father Nelson Oliva and Sister Taylor”, “Brother Balico and Sidekick Sakamoto”, “Pinocchieaux Boulanger”, and “balicoliva" (etc., etc.) to be belittling and disparaging? I do not see your ridicule as an ethnic slur, but it is certainly childish, inappropriately personal, and tedious, and although you might think these are clever, I think that it undermines what are otherwise your many cogent, reasonable, well-thought out points.

G.C.

5:54 am on Monday, January 16, 2012

Jeffrey,
You are incorrect. I do not support Mr. Kuehne over Mr. Boulanger. Regarding the tearing up of the recall notice, I received an email from a prominent citizen who writes the following:

"I would have wanted Don Kuehne, though, to set the record straight as to why he tore up the recall papers in front of the world and got bad publicity everywhere. On his side, he has privately said that when some of the recall candidates met with him, they said they would not pursue the recall if Ed Balico were to step down. In that council meeting, Ed Balico resigned, Don was served the recall papers and the infamous tearing up of the paper shocked everyone."

If this is true, and Mr. Kuehne felt ambushed-surprised, then I might understand such a reaction. If such had happened to me, I probably would have flipped everyone the bird, making sure my best side was caught on camera. Yes, I am probably unfit to run for office.

Many people demanded that Mr. Boulanger step down. He even said he would wait to gauge the sentiment of the citizens before making his decision to take office. Many of us protested. Was he waiting to see an effigy dangling from a rope-noose at the entranceway of City Hall? He ignored the outcries and took office. Kind of like Don Kuehne tearing up the recall notice, yes?

For me, the ideal candidate is one who does not lie (especially to those close to them) and one who does not fall asleep at the wheel.

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Jeffrey Boore

9:54 am on Monday, January 16, 2012

@G.C. - So you are directly saying that despite your repeated deriding of Boulanger and your repeated defenses of Kuehne (as here), you prefer Boulanger to Kuehne on the city council. There were exactly two choices on the ballot. So you and I are in 100% agreement about which person to have voted for back in June. I would not have guessed that from the 10,000 or so words you've posted on this subject so far.

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Jeffrey Boore

9:59 am on Monday, January 16, 2012

Incidentally, it is not true that "many" people demanded that Mr. Boulanger step down. A handful of people demanded it loudly, rudely, and repeatedly. But a very large number of people supported his becoming a city council member and recognize his hard work and commitment to our city. Some of those people were misinformed, admittedly, and his resume embellishment is not to be taken lightly, but in terms of the actual voters choice, I'd bet not a single voter would have chosen Kuehne instead just on knowing that Boulanger didn't actually finish the college degree that he'd been pursuing.

RJ

9:36 am on Monday, January 16, 2012

G.C.
You've become a bore. You write the same ole stuff time after time, day after day. Boring!!!!

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David F

9:41 am on Monday, January 16, 2012

Glenn,

I don't think you need to take this so hard. I'm not accusing you of anything except linking one's heritage with your points about their acts as legislators. And, regardless of what Joe Eddy may have done, it should not be linked with the council. I think your points about all of the issues of the council are vital to righting all of these wrongs.

On Gerard, I do accept that he apologized but nevertheless, was voted in by absentee ballot voters who did not have the correct information when they voted. he made his decision not to resign. Now, it is our county DA that has failed to act in what should be an open and shut case.

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Glenn Abraham

9:56 am on Monday, January 16, 2012

Dave, that wasn't exactly the "helluva apology" I was looking for, and I'll never understand why you chose to mix "ethnic slurs" with my name, but I won't let this ruin a decade-long friendship with someone who I value as much as I do you. I could dispute this...Joe Eddy's DUI and concealed carry arrest should matter as much to Hercules as Ross Mirkarimi's domestic violence arrest does to San Francisco...but, if there's anyone I don't want to fight with, it's you. Please do, in future, be much more careful in deploying toxic phrases like "ethnic slurs".

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Jeffrey Boore

10:06 am on Monday, January 16, 2012

So Glenn Abraham chastises someone for "deploying toxic phrases." Wow! I am flabbergasted. Isn't it apparent that Glenn Abraham prides himself above all else on his deploying of toxic phrases?

David F

2:08 pm on Monday, January 16, 2012

Glenn, I treasure our friendship as well. Just make sure my surname is Dr. Truffles.

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Glenn Abraham

2:11 pm on Monday, January 16, 2012

Dave, you will always be my Dr. Truffles. Anita is Queen Truffle.

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G.C.

6:22 am on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

I concur with Ron's assessment of my boring repeat post. What I was seeking before I got ambushed by a few who have their undies in a bundle was a dialogue with Mr. Kuehne. That would have been something NEW. But again, some folks have a hard time with differing opinions, etc. Same folks, too.

Instead of a repeat of my comments and the resultant whining-protests of others, I was hoping for something different, that being a dialogue with Mr. Kuehne. My original comments were directed at him, not the peanut gallery, but some of you just couldn't keep your yaps shut. You have this need to attack others and it is getting boring, too. (zzzzzzz)

Mr. Kuehne, if you are feeling inclined to provide any follow-up comments, please do.

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Jeffrey Boore

9:55 am on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

@G.C. - What you have received is cogent rebuttal to nonsense you have stated and chastisement for your mean-spiritedness. It is outrageously self-flattering for you to describe this as an intolerance for your "differing opinions." And it is needlessly hostile and ad hominem to use phrases such as "keep your yaps shut." Is civil discourse unimportant?

Selina Williams

2:23 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Oh Wow, whens the movie coming out?

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Annie R.

7:07 pm on Tuesday, January 17, 2012

@selina, I'll wait for it to come out on video!
@jeff, thanks.

Phil Simmons

11:24 am on Sunday, January 22, 2012

I agree with Don on this point. He said "I am concerned that special interest groups have taken over City Hall and will not do what is best for Hercules." Here is some proof. Special Interest organized and stopped the extension of Refugio Valley Rd. thru Franklin Canyon.
Special interest got the public together to stop Walmart. Don?
The past councils have some of their roots in those efforts.
Then there was special interest that stopped the Szabo plan for the waterfront. That special interest went on to do the Waterfront Initiative.
Then there was special interest in city hall that combined the RDA areas into one and began the parade of failure that ended with Syc N, Red Barn, Field of Dreams, etc.
Then there was special interest that voted in two new council members. Then special interest led recall off the other 3.
Then special interest, called the task force, got the Waterfront Initiative on track after it was derailed for 3 years.
Then a special intrest group formed to help find a new lawyer. Another was formed to watch over the budget, the financial ad hoc, then the legal ad hoc.
There was also a special interest group that organized to save the job of the librarian. There was special interest that marched on city hall to save day care. Another for the swim center. Another for the senior center. Another for the teen center. Another to save several city staff jobs.
So, Don, you are right.
That's how it works. Do you prefer some other form of government?

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Phil Simmons

11:29 am on Sunday, January 22, 2012

Ran out of room. Got Tolstoy'd.
So, we certainly have seen Hercules taken over by special interest at least all the way back to the Franklin Canyon effort. And yes some of those in City Hall and on the council did not do what was best for Hercules.
Don,
By the way. I personally invite you to attend the next Task Force meeting and participate in helping support the team at city hall that is trying to correct all of the past failed efforts.

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Glenn Abraham

11:49 am on Sunday, January 22, 2012

Phil, it's very polite of you to invite Mr. Kuehne to participate in forming Hercules' future, and we all value politeness and empty formality; but, if he had anything productive to contribute, he would have done so while on the council. What he actually contributed is not, I think, what we need going forward. 85% of the electorate chose to remove Mr. Kuehne from interference in the affairs of the town. I suggest we leave it at that, and stop pretending that he has something useful to say. That pretense cost us dearly in the past.

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Phil Simmons

12:57 pm on Sunday, January 22, 2012

Glenn,
I suppose you are right. If only way back during the Waterfront Initiative or even during the first 5 months of the task force.......
Or even now........
As you know, I just don't give up easily, even regarding the possibilites of other folks actions.

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Glenn Abraham

2:12 pm on Sunday, January 22, 2012

Phil, I'm not suggesting that you give up, but I do suggest that we not give Kuehne a credibility which he does not deserve, by using hollow decorum to suggest, so politely, that this is a person we should listen to. Kuehne has never apologized and never really accepted responsibility, never indicated that he's even aware that he did something wrong. We should remember the very expensive lessons we've learned, and never rehabilitate Kuehne, nor Balico, nor Valstad, nor any of the assorted clowns and criminals who have not given any indication that they understand what they did wrong, or learned anything from it.

Phil Simmons

11:38 am on Sunday, January 22, 2012

While I am on a rant here is another question.
Years ago there was a special interest group that worked to get the old houses on Railroad established on the Historic Register. Apparently there was at least a few that cared about this. Over the years that have passed along with many meetings held by the Waterfront Initiative effort, many city halls meetings, and the task force I have never, not one time, heard from anyone from the special interest group that wanted to protect those houses. It stikes me odd that whoever these folk are would care enough to get them on the Historic Register and then not care one bit if they just sit and rot. It seems to me that those people would participate in the effort to build the waterfront because that is the very thing that will make those homes survive. Otherwise they will eventually rot away.
Very odd.

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Douglas Bright

7:07 am on Monday, January 23, 2012

I'd don't believe the buildings that are rotting on the Waterfront were ever placed on the National Register. The homes that were placed on the National Register seem to be well maintained and all occupied at the moment. But I do hope that the Hercules Historical Society will take a more proactive role in making sure that those historic buildings along the waterfront do not fall apart from neglect.

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Phil Simmons

8:57 am on Monday, January 23, 2012

Douglas,
If you don't believe the building are rotting down (a euphemism for falling into such disrepair as to render them useless or at least far to expensive to repair), then I ask you go over to railroad and have a look at them.
And a lot of you have completely missed the point I was making. So....
I was asking why the folks that cared so much for making these building historic now are not involved in the effort to support the waterfront project. That effort is what it will take to restore the houses. No one is going to put the $millions it will require to save them without the rest of the area being improved as well. As I recall the one that has been repaired (Sala) cost roughly $3Million to improve. Even at 1/10 that cost no one will invest in them until the waterfront project is at least underway, if not finished. My discussion is about the waterfront development and those that support it not about the houses.

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Douglas Bright

11:02 am on Monday, January 23, 2012

Phil, I understand your larger point and agree that those with an interest in historic preservation should be advocating for the Waterfront project that includes the restoration of the historic buildings along Railroad Avenue.
I was referring to the National Register-listed homes between Bay Street and Pinole Street. I didn't realize the buildings along Railroad Avenue were also listed on the Register.

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Phil Simmons

2:07 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012

Douglas,
Yes there are three on Railroad, there is also one hidden by trees just as you begin the walking trail at the Chelsea wetlands, and there is the large building across from Sala (called the Masonic Lodge). There is also the Queen Anne over by the City corp yard that has been sawn into to pieces. These are all "historic". These are occasional occupied as well. Although by vagrants and homeless.

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Jeffrey Boore

6:41 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012

I have long been mentioning the dilapidated buildings on the waterfront. I hope that no one has thought that I meant the neighborhood of preserved historic home in the neighborhood along Santa Fe Avenue. Those are well-done and an asset to our community. The buildings I've referred to are unoccupied collapsing shacks along Railroad Avenue owned by either David Cury or the city and the two that have been moved to near the intersection of Santa Fe and Railroad and to the Baywood neighborhood.

Annie R.

11:52 am on Sunday, January 22, 2012

I'll take the lodge for $1.00

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Phil Simmons

12:59 pm on Sunday, January 22, 2012

Annie,
Be careful. Someone might take you up on that offer. I've seen inside. You might want to withdraw the offer.

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Phil Simmons

10:11 am on Monday, January 23, 2012

Susan,
One more try, more directly to my point....
I am trying to get anyone that may still be around, living, and living in Hercules, that was involved in helping with getting the houses on the Historic Register to step up and volunteer their efforts to help with public support of the waterfront. If they are all dead or gone, so be it. But if they are not, it would be nice to have them step up and lend support to the public effort. I do not know how many years ago the Historic registration was done but I can only guess that there must be someone left in the city that cares. For that matter if there are people that are interested in the recovery of these houses but have not been involved in the rest of the project I encourage them to participate in the public dialog to support the waterfront effort for both HBL and eventually for Curry's needs to proceed.
Susan, I am trying to encourage concerned citizens out of the woodworks...so to speak.

Susan D.Keeffe

1:21 pm on Sunday, January 22, 2012

Phil,
Re the special interest comments! Hear hear! Re the old buildings - unfortunately the little volunteer Hercules Society has no money and owns nothing Those buildings are owned by the City, the Pankey family and John Cury. You should. Probably talk to them and ask them why they purchased historic property and then allowed it to rot. The society once had City permission to hold a wine and cheese festival. With the funds they raised and volunteer labor they restored the Clubhouse Then Promensde was built and the developers cut off the sewer and electrical lines. The Waterfront initiative included the Panke buildings. Who knows re Cury. The zcitu owns 2 buildings they are totally neglecting including the skittle Queen Anne they cut in two , moved, and dumped instead of building a pad on Duck Pond Park and refurbishing it as a community buildingikg as they were supposed to do. The other City owned holding they dumped at the foot of Railroad Ave the Railroad tracks where it poses a public nuisance and fire hazard. Sorry re typos.

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Phil Simmons

1:32 pm on Sunday, January 22, 2012

Susan,
My question wasn't targeting the owners or the historic society. It is asking where are the people that original did the work and effort to get historic register done. There certainly must have been some special interest group supporting the effort. Who were they and where are they now?

Susan D.Keeffe

2:24 pm on Sunday, January 22, 2012

Phil,
There was. It was the Hercules Historic Society and it's volunteer members.

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Phil Simmons

3:01 pm on Sunday, January 22, 2012

So, who are those original members and are they on the Task Force or did they participate in the Waterfront Initiative?

Susan D.Keeffe

3:59 pm on Sunday, January 22, 2012

Phil,
No idea. It happened before I moved here in 1988.

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Susan D.Keeffe

7:46 am on Monday, January 23, 2012

Doug.
The Hercules Historic Society has affirmed their registration. This information has been communicated to the City.

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Susan D.Keeffe

8:03 am on Monday, January 23, 2012

Doug,
The HHS has no legal authority , no ownership of the properties and no money. It is up to the property owners to take care of their properties and that includes the City. Historical Societies are composed of volunteers with an interest in history. The recent book written by the HHS is very interesting and contains many photos of Hercules over the last 159 years. You can contact it via its website.

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Susan D.Keeffe

8:19 am on Monday, January 23, 2012

At Kuehne,
It seems to me Hercules requires real expertise in City finance. How would one more politician help a City that has already succumbed to political cronyism and nepotism. Making the Treasurer and the City Clerk positions political instead of requiring the appropriate expertise and no political agendas would seem the more prudent way to go. It sounds like you still have a lot of denial and are looking for justification for all your "aye" votes.

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Susan D.Keeffe

10:02 am on Monday, January 23, 2012

Phil
I'm struggling with iPhone typing. This is my third try. As far as I know only the Pankey family was involved with the Waterfront Initiatve. Clearly, the City, was not. I don't know how long Cury has been involved but he has For Sale signs on his. Holdings. The original HHS. Members have mostly died or moved away. A lot can happen in 40 years.

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Annie R.

11:40 am on Monday, January 23, 2012

@Phil,

Buy one, get one free...I will still take the lodge. Thrown in the Queen Anne and you've got a deal!

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Annie R.

12:02 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012

@Phil,

Don't forget the RDA and City provided generous loans to Sala for the renovation. I believe it was more than $2 million.

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Susan D.Keeffe

12:25 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012

Phil,
Thanks for the clarification. Why don't you come to the next HHS meeting? Two former mayors belong, They might be have more info in your quest to seek out those who were instrumental in getting the buildings on the federal historic register. And if anyone is interested in joining that would be great. The website is also good. To get action, however, you would have to ask the City to perform its due diligence. And the City is struggling. If the Waterfront is developed, however, it will be a whole other story.

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Selina Williams

1:08 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012

Dear fellow citizens, I believe we should focus some of our energy on the big fish with deep pockets. Lets go after that banks that wrote bad loans and bonds for Hercules. The first on my list would be the Bank of Ireland which participated in the ponzi scheme that created the money pit that is HMU using OBE (off balance sheet entities) to bypass the electorate and rob our city blind. Research the Bank of Ireland and get your pitch forks ready. Hopefully the FBI is already on the case. Heres a link to start the discussion; http://neighborhoodeffects.mercatus.org/2011/08/17/californias-hercules-municipal-authority-in-trouble/

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Phil Simmons

2:44 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012

Very interesting read.
One thing seemed left out. Had the RDA areas been left with there own bonds so that the Waterfront Development had started as desired (planned) then the size of HMU would have grown to reach the critical mass needed to make itself profitable. All roads lead to the failure to advance the waterfront and the ITC years ago even if HMU was a bad idea to begin with.

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Selina Williams

2:59 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012

Seems to me that the RDA was first and foremost a money laundering center in colusion with unscrupulous banks.
Don't forget that the formation of HMU was in response to the false "energy crisis" that was created by Enron for financial and political gain, which resulted in the recall of Gray Davis, the fall of the accounting giants, the creation of Sarbanes Oxley and the reign of "The Governator".

David F

1:38 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

You should talk to Jay Tucker. He did most of the work on the bar in the clubhouse. It was a beautiful restoration. As a matter of fact, citizens would go there after elections to wait for the vote count. (candidates also). How our city has changed.

it is hard to believe that a governor could be elected by a landslide and recalled a year later when nothing had really changed. Davis' campaign was already bracing for the recall as he was being reelected.

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Phil Simmons

3:11 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

David,
Though I was a Davis supporter, as I remember it the reason he was recalled was because as you stated "nothing had really changed".

Susan D.Keeffe

2:09 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012

David,
I agree. Those wine and cheese festivals were first rate. The work done by Pat Patton and others involved then was awesome. He should go to the HHS meetings to meet those folks who remain. The clubhouse was beautiful. There were even weddings there until the infrastructure to it was cut off.

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David F

9:30 pm on Friday, January 27, 2012

Phil, I meant nothing had changed between his reelection by a landslide and his recall. I don't think a recall is in order because you ran the wrong candidate in the general election. I supported him also. I was hoping Arnold could be charming and work with the legislature but he couldn't . I guess Mr. Freeze really does fit him well.

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Phil Simmons

9:46 am on Saturday, January 28, 2012

David,
I believe we both see this the same way. I really didn't see that recall as needed. But I do believe there was a hugh contingent in the state that thought the recall was needed based on the case that things were not being made better. I supported Arnold once he was in office and found it quite fun to discuss when him when traveling around the country. I think he wanted to do good things but slaying the problems in CA politics is far harder than slaying Thulsa Doom.

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