Letter to the Editor: "I Believe We Should Support Our City Manager"
Resident and former city council recall leader Lori Chinn writes in about City Manager Steve Duran's recent move to hire a former colleague as Hercules' new finance director.
-By Lori Chinn
We now have a council-manager type of city management with the City Manager functioning as the chief administrative officer and responsible to the City Council. The City Manager has the power to appoint and remove all department heads.
According to the League of California Cities, a survey conducted in 2010, it found that the council-manager form of city government is in place in 468 of California’s 480 cities, which is 97% of the cities in California.
The question of should city treasurers be selected or elected is often asked. And what is its relationship to debt management?
A 2010 study conducted by Alexander Whally, an economist at U.C. Merced provided empirical evidence as to which choice is right.
Mr. Whalley found that cities managed by appointed city treasurers paid between 13% and 23% less to borrow money over a ten-year period than those managed by elected officials. On refinancing existing debt an activity that requires significant skill and expertise, the appointed city treasurers were much better at getting lower interest rates. It may be that appointed treasurers often have higher levels of education than elected treasurers. He calculates that total borrowing costs would drop by around $20 million a year if all California’s city treasurers were appointed. By reducing debt burdens, given the restructuring possibilities now that interest rates are so low, is worth considering. These findings are relevant to Hercules because we are dealing with debt management right now.
Our City Manager Steve Duran appointed a new Finance Director. He was criticized for not moving fast enough. He was told that we should have had a permanent Finance Director in place yesterday. Mr. Duran hired a new Finance Director with the following in mind:
- There is a need to hire an appropriate finance director as soon as possible.
- There is a need to identify someone who is well qualified, experienced and can be trusted.
- There is a need to find a finance director who can successfully work well with the City Manager and other City Staff.
- There is a need to find a qualified finance director who is willing to come work for the City of Hercules given the unstable finances of the City and the status of that position.
I believe City Manager Steve Duran has hired a qualified finance director who can help our City with its challenges.
Our City has been in a crisis mode. Besides the type of city government we have, it’s just as important who we have in those key positions and how they function in those positions. We have had many changes and I think it’s for the better. I believe that we can successfully overcome the challenges by working together as a team. We have to pull together especially given the talents and skills of individuals we have in this City.
I believe we should support our City Manager, our City Attorney and our City Council. They did not create this mess. They are working very hard to try to help solve the problems. We need to all work together for the benefit of our City.
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Glenn Abraham
7:38 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I'd trust this council & their CM more if they mistrusted us less. Too much is going on in closed sessions. Too much is being done in secret, and then sprung on the community once it is too late to change. We now have this town-changing Safeway-cum-gas-bazaar project (revealed after it has, so quietly, already made significant progress), the Mastay appointment (done completely without notice to the community), major & unpleasant changes discussed (in whispers) to increase rental housing in Sycamore North (and perhaps Parcel C): those make much more of an impression on me than a potential 13%-23% borrowing cost reduction which we might have if we had an independent treasurer rather than the already-realized risk of having a finance director with a significant past connection to the city manager who hired her, running the appearance and perhaps reality of the cronyism which allowed Leon to work for Oliva while shafting all of the rest of us. In any event, we needn't speak of an elected treasurer, when we have the possibility of shifting to a system with a finance director directly appointed by (and accountable to) the city council, and not to another overly-empowered city manager (Think Sakamoto and Oliva.). They could certainly have exposed Steve Duran's appointment of Nickie Mastay to public scrutiny before it was already a done deal, a done deal which the city manager won't discuss because discussion would "interfere" with his duties of city manager/czar.
Jerrold "Jerry" Parsons
7:57 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
The citizens removed the previous council and now the new council hired a professional to make the necessary changes to improve the governance and financial condition of Hercules. It seems only fair to give the new council and City manager an opportunity to show positive progress and move forward.
For some folks it is easier to blog and sling mud versus stepping up and serving the community.
G.C.
10:11 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Hi Mr. Parsons,
I'm glad you commented here as you are a representative of the John Swett Unified School District and I appreciate what you do for your schools. This is "off topic", but is just a brief request for information from you so that we can do more to assist you with your efforts regarding JSUSD. I hope that you and the Hercules City Education subcommittee are working together to address the needs of JSUSD.
For me, the most important item in our schools is safety. Recently, as a result of the budget crisis, the WCCUSD proposed making cuts to safety which I find unacceptable as this implies our schools have an excess of safety. My few years of teaching in the district taught me that no such excess exists.
In order to better serve the community as you have suggested we do, I recently attended the WCCUSD safety committee meeting and would like to attend the next JSUSD safety subcommittee meeting so I can better understand what safety looks like in our local schools. I encourage other Herculeans to do the same.
Can you please share with me us where and when the next JSUSD safety meeting will be taking place? Where (web link?) can we find the previous safety subcommittee meeting minutes and also JSUSD district safety audits and other relevant data?
What can we do to ensure the children of JSUSD are as safe in their classrooms as I am in my work environment? Thank you for serving the children of our community.
Jerrold "Jerry" Parsons
10:38 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
G.C. feel free to e-mail me at jerryp1969@yahoo.com
Also you might have an interest in the following article:
http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_19946073?IADID=Search-www.contracostatimes.com-www.contracostatimes.com
Susan D.Keeffe
8:10 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Lori,
Nobody I know wants an elected Treasurer (except Kuehne) that's just stupid. Likewise, I have heard not one word of criticism for his choice for Finance Director. One cannot criticize without information and with no posted job description or equal opportunity hiring procedure there is no way to make an opinion. The criticisms have been about the lack of a process, not the quality of the individual's involved. While I agree we should trust our City Manager, , in Hercules, actions speak louder than words. Trust needs to be earned. We have had a very surprising month and some of the language in the Strategic Plan is challenging the vision we have had here after a great deal of work and effort. Duran does not appear open to criticism or suggestions. He spent the entire last Council meeting looking at his computer and shuffling papers when people, even Council members, spoke . Is he listening? Does he care about what the community has to say? That's not clear at this point, at least, it's not clear to me. People I know, respect and trust have expressed their admiration and confidence in Duran and I earnestly want to share that trust. A start would be getting the Waterfront Settlement Agreenent signed. Another good sign would be the wlingness to include a fair employment practice statement in the Strategic Plan as at least 3 Council members have requested. Trust must be earned.
Toni Leance
8:37 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Lori you talk about the council/manager form of goverence as if it is the best way but many well known cities are charter cities among them are Oakland, San Francisco, Napa, Alameda, San Mateo, Berkeley, San Jose. All those cities have charters. The questions about Steve Duran has to do with the perception of cronyism which was a big problem with Olivia and the old council. It was that perception and his lack of communication with either the council or the public as to why he chose this new financial director that is the problem. I also feel he does not have the same vision for the city that many in the coummuity have he is fine with big box, gas stations and rental appartments on the city owned property and has not completed the waterfront aggreement which is a big issue for many. I don't think any of us should put are trust into either the council or the city manger until they earn our trust. By open communication he could have avoided the current mistrust and scrunity that has come his way I question his political accumen he doesn't seem able to communicate directly or look people in the eye. Personally I always thought Hercules deserved a seasoned City Manager one who actually had been a city manager prior to comming here. The city has a long history of not hiring someone with prior experience that is a shame. Mr. Durans job with Richmond was running RDA and negociating with developers to build within the city not running the city.
Carol
9:13 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Thank you Lori and Jerald for your support. I am very disappointed with the the handful of people who have been writing on the Patch recently with only criticism, accusations calls of cronyism and all on this blog. I truly believe that's the new council, the new city manager and the new finance director are doing the best they can with the basket of rotten eggs they got. Why are people complaining about safeway? Do they not understand no businesses want to come to hercules? The current council did not buy that land at top dollar others did. It needs millions of dollars in utilities and soil removal. Not to mention deed restriction issues. WE NEED tax revenue, how do they think that will get here?
Susan D.Keeffe
9:45 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Carol,
Is the new Finance Director already on board? You said she's doing her best. As for the criticisms, please read them more carefully. We all understand how we got here. Everyone understands the depth of the problems and acknowledge them. The criticism is all about transparency. It sounds like you think closed door decisions affecting us all are OK? We all want what's best for Hercules. The criticism has been about process, not people. After what we have all been through it should surprise no one the community has expressed some concerns. We need to keep an open mind and work together. the community can be a source of support and help if you let us..
Carol
9:57 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Susan - my error - I believe that they "will do". I am not sure when her start day is or was. Having said that - I believe in transparency too, that is not what I am pointing out now. I did that in an earlier post with regard to John and Myrna witholding information for over a year with something that could have been valuable for the city attorney. Interestingly enoughy Myrna (quoted in the CCT) said "There was no intent to hide anything from the other council members" Really? She and John were the ones clammoring about the issue - one would think if they had that info - they would not have forgotten about that. Is that transparent? It is still not the issue here as we need to stop - and understand that the council and the city manager are not perfect, and they will make mistakes but I TRULY believe they all have the best interest of Hercules, unlike prior councils. Its a new day - lets try and support them as much as we can.
Susan D.Keeffe
3:23 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Carol,
Thanks for your clarification. I see no need, however, to perseverate over that issue when the concerns are over current closed door decisions. If the Council wants to talk about different types of governance structure I only ask it not be behind closed doors. We have, however, more pressing issues regarding transparency and I think the criticisms document those concerns. You asked what the objections were to Safeway. I think the comments were clear. Folks cannot support or approve when they have zero information. Many comments, including mine expressed cautious approval pending more information. .
Carol
9:20 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Also, it is very easy to arm chair quarterback. You cannot please everyone, the council must do what is best for the city as a whole, not for part. They are doing their best to stop us from going into bankruptcy and need our support. Remember they did not get us where the city is at and I believe that they will watch the CM and finance director closely unlike prior councils. Please lay off and let them do their job. If you are not happy then stop griping and run for council. It is a whole different ballgame when you are on a council. Mr Durean has my complete support.
Toni Leance
1:07 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Some members of council are following Duran blindly just like the past council followed Olivia how well did that turn out for them? How can this new financial person be indepentant when she owns her career to Duran? it is same position that Gloria Leon was in. why would be want to duplicate that failed system? Duran does not have my support and members of the council are loosing my support too. Until the council answers questions from the public in an open forum we will continue to question and probe.
Carol
5:23 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Toni - do you have inside information? You claim some are following blindly - how exactly is that? I watch all the city council meetings - (albeit from home because I have 3 kids under the age of 10 and my husband travels.) Also, you say the new finance director "owes" her career to Duran. Are you for real? Who in their right mind would even bother to take the finance director job - especially knowing how much financial trouble the city is in? They may not have a job in three months. I would not take it with the turmoil and controversy. Frankly, I am surprised he found anyone willing to come. Are you comparing Gloria Leon to our new Finance Director? Do you know her, have you seen or heard negative things about her? You are hell bent on crushing her before she even has a chance to try. That is just plain wrong. If this city goes into bankruptcy its not going to be the fault of the city manager, the current council or the finance director. You can firmly place that on the Balioliva era.
Toni Leance
5:51 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I have information that Duran said during the financial ad hoc commitee saying that he didn't go through the "charade" because he knew who he wanted. she worked directly for him for six years so yes I would say she "owes" him her career especially when she starts to work here in Hercules. For now yes I am comparing Gloria and the new financial person since they were hired under the same set of circumstance and the patronage of a city manger. Yes some members of the council are indeed blindly following and supporting Duran and all that he is doing which will kill the waterfront and make Hercules just another Richmond with big box stores, gas stations and apartments.
Carol
5:59 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Toni - if Hercules does not get some revenue - you can kiss every plan goodbye. If six years working with him is a "career' (I think she has been working for the city for 25 or so, then - thats not a very good argument. Also, why take this job? With the controversary and issues - its not like their are big coffers to line their wallets with like Oliva and Balico did. I think you are being way to harsh and critical, without even allowing them to try to do their job. Back off a bit, keep watching and let things move through the process. As I said to Glenn - the election is November - why dont you run?
Phil Simmons
9:32 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Hopefully in the future a new and more thorough process will be made mandatory by newly adopted policies.
But I object to the idea of a "Financial Director". The big title brings big salaries and benefits. A Big Title brings the concept of an inordinate amount of City Hall's self importance and power. I wish the process had been the vetting of accountants (little A) with the appropriate background in municipal budgets. Perhaps a title that has CPA (capital C P A) attached would be good as long as it did not bring along with it some false sense of importance and cost. The Finance Director (capital F and capital D) will be producing and managing the city budget. This is about $12M per year. Back out the required police budget of about $7M and the Park and Rec's of about $2-$3M and you are left with a couple of $M of other stuff. Back out the now dead RDA and you are not left with much to worry with. It's important but come on we are a small and broke community.
My point is government seems to inflate it's value with lots of Titles (capital T) and lots of inter-agency acronyms to fluff up its perceived value.
It is to late now. We have a Financial Director (capital F and capital D). But at least we do not currently have an Economic Director or a Planning Director. We still have a Recreational Director and a Deputy City Manager, not that their jobs might not be important, but enough with the Titles and the fluff that comes with them.
Susan D.Keeffe
3:26 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Phil,
You raise good points. However, I still maintain the issue is process, not titles.
G.C.
9:42 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
One individual did step up to serve the community as a commenter has suggested. They were rewarded for their efforts by an appalling display of arrogance and contempt by our new City Manager. Such a display is tantamount to an act of insubordination.
Having said that, I am grateful that we have him as our City Manager, but he (as we all do) has a few lessons to learn. I understand we need to give him room to do his job. I am impressed with much of the work he has done thus far and am grateful to have him as our City Manager. He appears to have the right stuff.
His selection of Finance Director appears to have qualifications consistent with FD's from other cities of similar size. It is unfortunate that we had to look elsewhere for the criteria for this position, as our city failed to articulate the requirements ahead of time, hence the additional suspicion.
Having said that, the citizens have a right to transparency and reassurance they seek. Our city has been run into the ground by thieves. Some have even engaged in deceit for purpose of getting elected to office. When will it stop? In short, we cannot be faulted for our distrustful nature.
Our City Manager needs to meet us half way. And yes, we need to do the same. Next week is a new week. I look forward to trying it again.
Glenna Phillips
10:37 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
In the mid 80's Herculeans changed the form government in the City from a Council Form to the current City Manager form. In a Council form of government, the Police Chief, City Clerk, City Manager, etc. were hired and fired by the City Council. It was ripe (and blooming!) for corruption.
The key to having a city run without corruption is US as citizens vetting those who are elected to represent us! (We have missed the boat on this with Boulanger who is sitting on the Council presently)
The CITY COUNCIL hires the City Manager who then hires the remainder of city officials/positions, including the Finance Director, etc.
The City Council has the control because they hire and fire the City Manager. If the City Council is doing their job, they are watching what is going on with the city through the City Manager. If they hire well in this position, the remainder of the city offices will be properly run.
It all begins and ends with the City Council and that is OUR job as citizens to make sure those on the council have good judgement, are trustworthy/honest and with the trust place in them by the citizens, carry out their duties responsibly.
When the City Council hires a City Manager they, too, need to do the vetting. When they do a bad job, we as citizens have the power to replace them -recent recall.
Citizens elect competent City Council who hires effective City Manager who manages city well.
Fellow Herculeans, it's who we elect that makes the difference!
Susan D.Keeffe
11:10 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Exactly right! Well said.
DRM
2:01 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Thank you, Ms. Chin. I agree with you. Mr. Duran was selected from many applicants in a well-documented and transparent process. Now, let's let the man do his job! I support the City Manager, the Council Members, and city staff. I believe they are honest and dedicated people who are working very hard in a difficult situation. They deserve some positive feedback for a change.
Glenn Abraham
2:39 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
It is amazing how a brand new and oh-so-promising "reform" council could blow so much of its political capital so quickly.
"Carol" doesn't want us to criticize the Safeway/GasWorld scheme, but he/she forgets that, back when Valstad & Ward were still able to do harm, they were in discussions with Walmart BUT word got out and an avalanche of citizen disapproval killed the proposal before the valico council could get away with it. Everyone understands (anyhow, everyone who wants to) that the complaint is not specifically about Safeway and their 16 gas pumps, but about the process whereby the scheme was so far along before the community was brought in on the secret. Maybe Hercules wants a Safeway, maybe not; NO ONE wants council members and CM sneaking around in the dark and preparing surprises for us. At least one of those surprises, the Mastay appointment, was a fait accompli before we even knew it was an idée; worse, the city manager is not willing to even discuss Mastay's ascension to finance manager because that would constitute "interference" with his duties. We've already had one council/CM who considered the community to be a nuisance. True, valicolivamoto (and their enablers, Ward and Kuehne) had to go for ethical reasons; but they had other bad habits, opacity was one of the worst of them, and why should we be putting up with this again?
The election is in 8 mos,17 days. That won't affect Myrna & John, but they appear not to be the problem.
Frederick
2:57 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
In Sept when Duran was hired, I commented that the sharks would start circling in 30 days and an all out attack would happen in 60 days. Well, it took a little longer than I predicted but here we are. A select few who have no clue on how a city runs is rabid, yes rabid, on their attacks on a CIty Manager who is doing his job. He hired an extremely competent professional finance person who could step right in and do the job. None of you know what you are talking about when you post about the job of a municipal FInance DIrector. Call around to 5, 10, 50 other cities and you'll not find one CPA - different skills, different job. Citizens don't get to pick staff. End of story, let it go and let staff do their job.
Susan D.Keeffe
3:39 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Frederick,
Please share with us your expertise in knowing what the job entails and how you know the selection process affirms that appointment. You seem to understand the workings of City government far better than those requesting information. I believe your sharing that information will be very helpful to those "rabid" for information.
G.C.
4:16 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Some (do not know what percent) cities require CPAs for their FD position. Here is an example of the accomplishments-contributions by one such CPA for the City of Rochester
http://cityofrochester.gov/article.aspx?id=8589938483
Toni Leance
5:30 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
so it is ok to hire a friend and not do an open search, not post a job opening, not have a job discription, not have a list of qualifications and not interview anyone except your friend, not have an fair ranking system with which to judge candiates? and when the public including members of the finance ad hoc commitee ask why you stone wall and say it is nobodys business who i hire and you are interfering. Sound a lot like the other city manager Olivia.
Phil Simmons
6:26 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Fred,
Maybe one of the big problems in the entire state of CA or the nation for that matter is that we the tax payers pay for far to many over qualified highly titled employees and we would be way better of with a more down to earth set of expectations.
Glenn Abraham
3:53 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
As one of the louder sharks, I want to make clear that I have no personal criticism of Dan Romero. Except for Lori Romero, I may well have been, and may well yet be, Dan Romero's most fervent supporter and advocate. For 8 years (9, now) I've been impressed by his dogged and underappreciated support of the rights and interests of the people of Hercules. That's way too much of a stellar record for me to even remotely consider turning on him now. I am, though, disappointed by the opacity which seems to be, at least in part, due to the actions of Dan. "Seems" to be. That's the problem with opacity: one never knows what is really going on. At this point, I remain intensely loyal to Dan, and I assume that, whatever he's doing, he's doing for a good reason. Awaiting future developments.
As for the others: I have absolutely no criticism of Myrna or John. Bill Wilkins: I don't feel I know him. Pinocchieaux: well, I once thought I knew him. Since his very presence on the council is illegitimate (given that his election was obtained through proven fraud), I will always be a critic of his, regardless of what he does, because his shameful assumption of an office to which he is not morally entitled, thereby damaging the credibility of a council which (given what we've been through) absolutely needs credibility, is not forgivable. Steve Duran? Dunno. It's not looking great so far.
Don't like the secrecy, but I'm with DanMyrnaJohn
Carol
5:14 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Glenn - I understand your frustration, and everyone would prefer to have a great waterfront and stores with curbside appeal. Hey like another Sausalito. And one that followed the city plan. But that is not going to happen because of the current financial situation of the city - left to us by years of mismanagement and turning a blind eye by the city council for years and years. I wont assume what you do about Steve Durans thinking we are an interference, but its only been a few months, and like what was said above it seems as thought the vultures are swarming. The Safeway negotiations SHOULD HAVE BEEN behind closed doors. The public has a right to know what is going on - and now they do - and guess what - it does not please everyone - because it never will. There will always be people who are upset and dont get it. Frankly, we need revenue. I have only lived here for 12 years, but in those 12 years, I have seen Hercules fall to pieces.
Remember this too Glenn, if you do not like the current council members, vote against them in the upcoming election. When I lived in SO Cal, I was on two different HOA boards - all the homeowners did was complain - and the only time they came to a meeting is when their pocketbook was involved - and always screaming for a recall. Otherwise - they love to armchair quarterback too, and no one EVER attended the meetings. All I am saying is let them do their job, as best as they can. November is not far off. Why don't you run?
Glenn Abraham
5:31 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Carol, thanks for your very reasonable response. I agree with most of what you said, including that the Safeway NEGOTIATIONS should have been done in closed session (but NOT that the very fact of the existence of negotiations should have been kept secret). As for what you say about HOA boards and homeowners: I absolutely agree, 100%, all of it. I had the misery of wasting much of a decade on a HOA board, and that is why I will never run for anything ever again, not no never. Public service in elective office should be performed by persons who have a much higher opinion than I do of the electorate. Anyhow, I'd be a lousy councilman. I won't run, but I will definitely help Dan in his campaign. I will also definitely campaign AGAINST M. Boulanger, and will do what I can in the next 8½ months to help people remember what he did and what he is.
I agree with you a lot, but I still wish our council governed with greater transparency.
Douglas Bright
9:01 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
I'm skeptical that our city's current financial mess is justification for scrapping the Development Plans. I don't think the city's finances have any bearing on the ability of developing these parcels in a way congruent with the Plans. The developers are not citing the city's finances as the reason why there must be a large gas station and big box supermarket on Sycamore Crossing or 100% residences at Sycamore North and Parcel C. At this point, the official reason appears to be purely profit. The developers think there is no market for retail at Sycamore North or Parcel C (I am skeptical of that is true). Safeway’s reason is quite simple – they sell groceries and gas. And a hanger-sized warehouse with 16 gas pumps is an efficient means of doing so. Period.
Douglas Bright
9:01 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
The city’s financial mess is one reason why we should be even more critical of the Safeway plan, since they are asking the city to spend up to $200,000 to remove the deed restriction, plus lower the sales price of the land by millions of dollars to subsidize its preparation for the megastore. If the city’s finances were the only consideration, we could still demand mixed use, pedestrian scale developments in Sycamore North and Parcel C, without any money being spent from the city’s coffers. Yes, it may delay the sale of Parcel C and Sycamore Crossing, but that option compares favorably to the loss of a big chunk of our vision as a city, not to mention the loss of potential sales tax revenue.
To recap – Safeway is asking us to spend money NOW to remove a deed restriction on a property they want to develop. This is before they give us a dime. The Sycamore North and Parcel developers want to remove the retail component of the developments, depriving us of that potential sales tax revenue. Residences are a net drain on Hercules’s finances – Hercules spends more money providing services to them, than they receive in tax revenue from them. If Sycamore North and Parcel C are allowed to only residential developments, this will translate into a net loss, year over year, for the city.
Carol
5:55 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Glenn - I am with you! I will NEVER run for anything either. I want the transparency too, I just want people to let the council at least try - it is not easy being in their position and I get that people are frustrated and that people are very untrusting of our elected officials. But, they have a huge mess, and they need to be able to try to get us out - and unfortunately that means that some of the decisions will not be what everyone wants. And, as I said above - I am completely surprised that we even found someone willing to take on the finance directors job - knowing she may not have one in the near future. If it were me, I would pick someone I knew could do the job, who I could trust and I trusted to make honest decisions and what is best for the city. I think we need to give Mr. Duran a her a chance, albeit with watchful eyes. This is not the same pony ride as the Olivabalico era. They have a heck of a mess to get out of and have the feds and state breathing down their back. Give it some time and patience.
G.C.
6:32 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Much of this mess would have been avoided if folks had followed Mr. Rubio's words regarding the appointment of the new Finance Director, "It is way better to err on the side of too much information than too little."
He said this respectfully. Mr. Rubio is a class act in my book.
Kim
6:45 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
I'm generally in favor of the Safeway coming if it is like the new El Cerrito one but I did notice today in Concord the new Safeway near the mall had gas pumps and cars were backed up with about 12 in line. It is frequently like they in Vallejo as well. How would that impact SP Ave traffic?
Phil Simmons
6:58 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Kim,
concerning traffic, Why do you ask? Is it not obvious?
Susan D.Keeffe
7:03 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Carol,
We will never know if others would have been interested in the job or not since no one had an opportunity to compete. Duran picked someone he knows and trusts and she is apparently willing to leave Richmond to help him out. Would she have applied if he hadn't asked her? We'll never know . I guess if anyone out there feels they were denied the right to compete under the fair labor laws they can always sue. Yes, we do need revenue. But you understand nothing will be forthcoming from any negotiations for probably 3 years or so. Re the Waterfront, private investors and both federal and regional agencies are very interested in what Hercules will do about the Waterfront. phase 1 funds are all coming from outside sources and without phase 1 there will be no phase 2. The City and the region stand to gain tremendously from those revenues- if it happens. But revenues from apartments won't help Hercules. Safeway and gas station revenues will offer some help but nothing by comparison. And it won't help us now.
G.C.
7:16 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Here are some examples of how other cities advertise the job position of FD. The first link even describes a hiring interview process. As our new FD is also the new head of HR, I wonder if they have any thoughts on this hiring process that they themselves are part of.
http://www.ci.capitola.ca.us/capcity.nsf/vLookup/financedirector/$file/financedirector.pdf
http://www.ci.medina.mn.us/employment/Finance%20Director%20Job%20Description,%202.15.2011%20approved.pdf
G.C.
9:27 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Phil,
Regarding qualifications and expectations, would it pique your interest if I told you some city staff do not possess the required qualifications listed on their posted job description and that they are being compensated the full amount for that position?
Regardless of the qualifications sought and the expectations set as you mentioned, all job descriptions should accurately reflect the qualifications of the staff currently employed by our city. Aren't the salary surveys that are used to justify the employee's compensation based on what is stated in these documents?
It doesn't seem proper to pay someone full amount for qualifications they truly do not possess.
Phil Simmons
10:27 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I think it is fine to have under qualified people doing the job. Many things I have seen in the workplace, both public and private, is that job requirements do not really get the work effort, work ethic, and often even the skill sets and knowledge that is sought. I believe that people can rise to the occasion. Job titles and qualifications seem to usually end up fulfilling an old concept know as "the Peter Principle". Look it up. In the case of Financial Director I do not believe this city need this title. Just my opinion.
As an example of my review, check out Steve Jobs background. Check out Bill Gates background. If that is not good enough then check out Abraham Lincoln. Check out Thomas Edison. Check out Henry Ford. To save you the trouble he was a school dropout. My list can go on and on and on. If my point is failing on deaf ears then try to consider this. You are good at data. Check out the data on the % of people that study a certain higher education degree and then actually use that degree in their endeavors in the work place. The entire title (read entitlement) philosophy is and has always been total nonsense.
Government has embedded into it's value proposition all manner of Director this, Manager that, Deputy this, Supervisor that BS and it is costing the public dearly.
Phil Simmons
10:34 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Tolstoy'd....
Don't get me wrong. We need big government. We need people working as civil servants and we need lots of them. But we don't need a bunch of titles. When the public hires an employee through the process of a City Manager we the the public deserve that a process is used that studies the applicants. The process should not be just a matching up of some perceived qualification statement. It should include past experience, well vetted references, attitude, energy level, and a balanced review by more than one individual and if at all posible it should include a serious look internally within the organization for a candidate that has the ambition and drive to rise among the ranks. An outsider even when fully vetted is usually not as good of a choice as someone that has the first hand experience though sometimes there is no such choice.
Susan D.Keeffe
10:19 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Georgio,
Good work. For those "select few", "rabid" ignoramuses of us, I found your research both relevant and informative. Perhaps Frederick ,would care to offer up his expert opinion on the posted job idescriptions and their accuracy. My concern is for the "select few" who had the gall to ask for transparency and fair labor practices. Why would such a request be interpreted as not showing support? Is it an unreasonable request ?The over reaction to the suggestion does raise concerns that heretofore did not exist.
Frederick
12:10 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Susan,
I did research prior to posting my comments. I looked at our surrounding Cities and found the following job descriptions and CPA requirements:
Pinole and Martinez had no job descriptions on their website (conspiracy???), Benicia, San Pablo and Richmond had job descriptions with no mention of CPA as a requirement. Vallejo's job description said a CPA was desirable, but not required. Then when I googled city finance director bay area i found this link to a new posting in San Rafael. https://www.calopps.org/ViewAgencyJob.cfm?ID=11466&kw=
Note that a CPA is desirable but not required. Note also that they probably started the process in Jan by paying a headhunter and won't have final interviews until May. They won't have a person on board until June, Hercules could not wait that long. I fully support Duran hiring a qualified person now, saving the City from paying a headhunter for recruitment and probably ending up with the same person he just hired. PS Georgios job descriptions are spot on, neither of them require a CPA.
Susan D.Keeffe
4:08 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Frederick
Thanks! Now that was useful information and no personal insults attached , I actually agree with you on almost all points. I was not the one suggesting a CPA as I have no knowledge of what the job requires although Georgio's posts were very interesting. Bill Wilkins also stated what he thought the requirements should be at the Council meeting before last. My concern, and I keep repeating it, is the need for an objective transparent process that does not give the appearance of cronyism. I think Hercules has had about all the cronyism it can take.
Kim
8:50 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Phil what seems obvious to me apparently is not always so to the powers that be in Hercules. It seems to me if gas pumps are accessible from SP Ave directly it may spill out on SP Ave and cause backup although there are two lanes. To me, the building opposite the lot is too large of a scale for the neighborhood.
Phil Simmons
9:05 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Kim,
Having a gas station past the intersection of Syc and SP Ave will certainly add to the congestion at that intersection. But ........
Bottom line is the public will not be involved in these choices other than a 3 minute speech at city hall. The Planning Commission might be involved. An EIR might be a part of the process but that is yet to be seen.
Some folks want a gas station on SP Ave. Some do not. Some folks do not want any new development. So folks do. Some folks believe Hercules can become a great town with lots of stores and restaurants that are above average. Some folks prefer Hercules becomes average or less.
Toni Leance
8:39 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
Myrna called for a performance review of Mr. Duran and even Mr. Duran said he thought "a midterm review was a good idea" yet the council put it out 2 months. I think a performance review is in order and support Myrna and hope other councilpersons will consider her request sooner rather than later. Feb 24 meeting would be good.
Carol
10:13 am on Monday, February 20, 2012
Toni - here you go again~ from what I saw at the meeting, Myrna asked for it and the mayor said - it is on the upcoming agenda. Makes me wonder why Myrna did not read the upcoming agendas before asking but whatever. Now you are complaining that its too late???? Its has not even been 6 months. Frankly, I think nothing will make you happy
Susan D.Keeffe
2:36 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
Carol,
Please help me out here. Why is it not OK for Toni to criticize, Duran, but OK for you to criticize John and Myrna? In my view, I think all opinions should be respected.
Toni Leance
4:35 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
@ Carole Susan's question is a good one but since I am not one to mince words here I will take it a step further the reason you are defending Duran and hating on Myrna is that your good friend Dan has some sort of ongoing fued with Myrna and you are helping his cause by always trying to criticize her and defend Dans postions which right now is blindly following Duran and defending his actions. So there you go! Hate on!
Annie R.
6:07 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
@Carol,
Still want to post on Patch? Didn't think so.
Quite frankly, I would understand if Steve Duran decided to resign. He was handed a financial disaster caused by years of alleged malfeasance and corruption. He was provided with minimum staff and, when Nickie Mastay was hired, some residents cried foul despite the fact the City charter allows him to do so. And there are the FBI and State Controller investigations, both of which are daunting. Here we are, six months later, still teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. Duran has been relentlessly criticized and ridiculed. And the cries of "I want, I want, I want" continue to echo through the City. It's like listening to a 2 year old throwing a tantrum at Target.
@Mr. Duran, I wish you well. As a 29-year resident, former City volunteer and former employee, you have my support. In my world, the inmates do not run the asylum.
Toni Leance
6:23 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
@ Annie Mr. Duran has failed to deliver the financial information to the council, the Ad HOc Financial commitee and to the citizens. He has had a finanicial director and Ms Warmerdam and others want to give me a good reason why it hasn't been done. Do you not think the Feds, the State and our own auditors wouldn't recomend that the budget be done on a reqular basis? do you balance your checkbook if not how do you know what you have to spend same case here. It is pretty simple.
Susan D.Keeffe
9:09 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
Annie ,
The City does not have a charter. That is what this letter to the editor was addressing.
Toni Leance
6:15 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
People need to understand the problem with Duran is deeper then just this appointment. He is as damaging to Hercules as Olivia was, only in a different way. He is setting the "vision" for Hercules just like Olivia did. Only Duran's vision is one of gas stations, Safeways and apartments not towncenters and affordable housing. Each vision isn't the vision many citizens have for Hercules, Both ingnored the waterfront and both will ruin Hercules for all time. Olivia by a ponzi scheme of poor real estate investment and strange bookeeping. Durans vision will have Hercuels loooking like Richmond or San pablo it won't be the vision that we bought into and have tried to nuture. Many of us feel helpless as we watch our city become mundane and ordinary. I am angry that I helped to vote in the council only to see them abdicate their duty and hand it to Duran. it is the council who should have the vision and the CM should impliment that vision not set it. The council needs to tell Duran what will be acceptable development and then have him work to see that vision realized not the other way around.
Phil Simmons
7:16 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
I find it interesting how many people settle for the same old thing and accept mediocrity as a way of life.
Annie R.
10:01 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
@Toni,
You're correct. The CM doesn't set the vision. Neither does any specific group of homeowners. Swallowing the KoolAid wasn't such a great idea, was it?
John Loudermilk
10:24 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
Now that's funny.
Toni Leance
8:01 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
the "vision" was set a long time ago by the citizens of Hercules not the "waterfront people" they weren't even here it was set in an open and inclusionary process that was upheld with an election on "the waterfron inititive" and it has been ingnored by several city mangers and several city councils it wasn't KoolAid it was a well concived well thought out plan for the future of Hercules a community that was looking to the future and how it could plan for that future and make a community that was truly integrated into a traditional town plan that embraces its past but looks to the future with homes, offices, entertainment, transportation all a part of a modern walkable city. That is the plan the citizens helped to invision those people lived "up in the hills" because the Waterfront was on paper.
Susan D.Keeffe
8:23 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Annie R.
I'm not sure what you meant by your acerbic "swallowing the Kool Aid wasn't such a great idea, was it" comment. To what were you referring? The City's vision was set by a city-wide charette and then by a vote of thousands of Herculeans for the Waterfront Initiative. Is that what you meant by a "specific group of homeowners"? Or is this just another one of your little digs at the Waterfront residents? If it is, you must be aware that anyone who purchased in Hercules from 2002 on has suffered a huge financial hit. Most are upside-down. Many have had to walk away from their dream homes. Many still live near urban blight and contaminated soil. Has your neighborhood suffered similarly? I don't think folks who bought because they were sold a vision and then lost hundreds of thousands of dollars deserve those nasty little comments you keep inserting. I'm not sure why you have such a resentment against those Herculeans, they are your neighbors, and mine, and only want the best for the City and their families. Lets all pull together, retain a vision for something other than strip malls and big boxes and try to get something quality going before its too late. Once the strip malls, gas stations and big boxes are built, its done and there is no going back.
Carol
10:51 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
Annie - you are right - why even bother on the patch anymore. It is truly a select few that want to critisize - and at Susan - I critisized why John and Myrna held something back that would HAVE HELPED THEM. Its odd. Seems like they are the golden children. I dont really care - I am willing to give them a fair shake but honestly - my whole complaint about that meeting was the length of time they went over and over and over the issue - all the while having information they could have given to the city attorney to help - so to me it is not the same.
Annie - I think they need to just drink the koolaid - nothing will ever satisfy them - unless THEY choose the CM, the finance director etc. I dont have any issues with the ad hoc committee -and all the other ones, but they are only advisory - THEY DO NOT GET THE FINAL SAY - to me they want to be bigger than the council or the city manager - if they want that, then run for the darn council. I am tired of this. I got kids to get up and deal with...Thanks Annie for all your service at the city. I know you know how bad the situation was and is now - must have been awful to work there. If Duran quits, I do not blame him - I WOULD!
Susan D.Keeffe
8:35 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Carol,
I think you understand my comment. Opinions differ. You criticize things that are important to you, then criticize others for their differing opinions. As for the Ad Hoc committees, they are basically run by the Council , are temporary, and are considered advisory only. The Council remains the ultimate authority. All citizens can apply to any of the Ad Hoc committees and run for the Commissions, which operate permanently. But even Commission decisions can be overthrown or ignored by the Council. All of these meetings are open to the public but nobody ever comes to observe. I know you are swamped with three children but attending commission, Ad Hoc, and council meetings in person would enable you to meet these volunteers and see them in action. I'm not sure how this conversation got twisted to implying volunteer subcommittees want to choose employees, etc. These volunteers are not paid, and they have spent literally hours and hours working on council assignments because there is not sufficient staff to do the work.
Toni Leance
8:54 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
@ Carol want to comment on the post that was removed? You seem to always defend Dan's postion and knock Myrna why is that? you seem to have a lot to say want to talk about this?
Carol
9:22 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
@ Toni - other than mentioning "the mayor" in a prior post - when have I ever just singled Dan Romero out? Never, I only singled out John and Myrna because of what they did in a meeting with regard to something they wanted. What is to talk about Toni? Actually it seems that you have it our for Mr. Duran and nothing will change your mind. Annie is right. No point in arguing - its a no win situation, I can just as easily argue with my 3 year old.
Phil Simmons
9:24 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Carol,
What makes you think the Ad Hoc committees want to be bigger than the CM or Council.
And, just to help you make your own case....
Hear is another question. Which is more important. The CM, the Council, or the Citizens?
Carol
9:56 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
@ Susan - difference of opinion? fine. But really - this patch is more like a battleground. I understand the roles of the committees, and have been on volunteer committees in the past (pre-children). I appreciate the people who are serving on these committees but frankly - I am not sure I want to "meet" some of them. It is frightening how much anger there is. If they understand how behind the city is, then why are they still complaining about the financials not being ready? I do not have the time to volunteer - maybe in the future, but for now I have my hands full. I am not complaining about the CM or the council in general - I think they are doing the best they can. Obviously others don't agree. They seem willing to single people out, but when its done to someone they like, WHOA - watch out. It is not a two way street.
Phil Simmons
10:03 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Carol,
I'm with you on one thing for sure. I think the council is doing the best they can.
But I do not support some of the things they appear to be doing or at least the way they are doing them, even if it is their best effort. Therefore, as a citizen I believe it would be wrong to sit back and not speak up. To cede my voice, or any voice of public opinion to differing views is irresponsible.
Toni Leance
10:07 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Carol you are right you do not mention Dan by name but you mirror all of his views and opinions almost to the tee which is interesting you have rilied against John and Myrna at the same time that Dan has had issues regarding their opinion from Cabral so it would lead one to believe that you are either an ardent supporter or good friend and are trying to get his message out. And when called out directly my post disappears it is all so mysterious.
Glenn Abraham
10:20 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Well, there IS a consistency to Carol's comments.
Toni Leance
5:04 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
carol you state in your post to me "when I have ever singled Dan Romero out"
well on 11/2/11, 11/3/11, 11/4/11 11/30/11 all times when you singled Dan out for praise. on 1/10/12 you posted "?Myrna again?? in regard to her being named women of the year I think you have a history of being against Myrna and pro Dan. And I find it interesting that you are so hard on John and Myrna yet so pro Dan, Duran and the rest of the council for trying so hard to do their jobs. I think you have an agenda and that is in line with Dan.
Annie R.
11:14 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
Carol,
Thanks. I've lived in Hercules long enough to know that it will always be a bedroom community and not Shangri-La by the Bay. Mediocre? Perhaps. Safe? By today's standards, yes.
I enjoyed working for the City, even at the end. Even though the rank and file received no severance pay, at least I left with my integrity and honesty. Best to you, Carol!
Susan D.Keeffe
8:47 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Annie R.,
If the residents of Hercules want no change and mediocrity, I'm sure the City will stay the same, or slowly decline, and you, and others who lack vision and are afraid of change, will be happy. If the residents of Hercules see this location as a possible hub as it combines the water, trains and two major freeways, they will continue to work towards maximizing those resources and that vision knowing every single homeowner in Hercules, including you, will see a rise in their property values as a result. America was founded by dreamers and those with vision for a better life and I'm grateful there are still those who dream, have vision, and want to improve what is.
G.C.
5:49 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Why are people opposed to criticism and expression of dissatisfaction? This is still America, yes? Mr. Duran is a public employee. He knows this goes with the territory.
If he doesn't give a hoot about what some of the council members think, why would he care about a very small number of the citizenry? Resign because 10 out of 25,000 citizens are protesting? I do hope his skin is thicker than that.
He should only be concerned with how he is perceived by his 5 supervisors. The rest of us he can ignore as I am sure he has.
Phil Simmons
8:56 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Why is it that the only people that get to have any say on the Patch are the anti-growth, anti-waterfront people. It seems that any time someone suggest that the city needs an urban center, like the waterfront plan, or some sort of quality condo complex at Syc N, or a better planned use of Parcel C or Safeway Crossing a select few come out and disregard what anyone else has to say. It seems that when someone wants to make a positive statement about good growth in the city all of the anti-growth, anti-waterfront people just criticize in hopes of stopping what others have to say.
Phil Simmons
9:21 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
What I like about Kool-Aid is all of the flavors. Let's see, there is:
1. The anti-growth Franklin Canyon Kool-Aid
2. The anti-big box Walmart Kool-Aid
3. The anti-Szabo Kool-Aid
4. The Waterfront Initative Kool-Aid
5. The Anti-Tax Kool-Aid
6. The Anti-Oliva Afforadable Housing Kool-Aid
7. The Anti-Firing of Charles Long Kool-Aid
8. The Save the Librararian's Job Kool-Aid
9. The We Need all of the Police we can possibly afford Kool-Aid
10. The don't let the Teen Center leader go Kool-Aid
11. The Save the Public Support of Day Car Kool-Aid
12. The Recall the Council Kool-Aid
13. The Tear Down Syc N Kool-Aid
14. The No Gas Stations on Safeway Crossings Kool-Aid
15. The Save the Senior Center Kool-Aid
16. The We Must Have an ITC Kool-Aid
17. The Save the Pay at City Hall Kool-Aid
18. The No Growth for any Reason Kool-Aid
19. The Give Money to WCCUSD Kool-Aid
20. The Give Money to Doctors Medical Kool-Aid
21. The Dan's Right Kool-Aid
22. The Myrna's Right Kool-Aid
23. The Whole Foods is better than Safeway Kool-Aid
24.The Get Rid of the Corp Yard Kool-Aid
I'm sure the rest of you can come up with a few more.
Glenn Abraham
10:23 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Even with Phil's specificity, I still don't understand Annie R's original Kool-Aid comment. Something about the Vinegar Kool-Aid?
Susan D.Keeffe
9:26 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Phil,
I'm happy with a lot of those flavors, pretty impressive assortment.
Sarah Creeley
10:21 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
I personally am having difficulty with the Kool-aid analogy because it lightly refers to the murder of hundreds of people by Jim Jones, a real tragedy.
When I watched the very long 2/16 meeting I was impressed with each of our Council members, and their thoughtful responses. People had differing views.
Isn't that to be expected? I am grateful for the energy and effort our city staff,
including City Manager and Council members bring to this job. It was clear
from the public communication speakers that many people are concerned about decisions being made without community input. It is reasonable to want to be included in decisions that impact your quality of life. I spoke up when a dog park was planned for, right outside my window and our city listened. We can speak up for what we believe is important. No one should be criticised for speaking their mind. Where the trouble comes in is in having an agreed respect for all and their differing points of view. Our city can aspire to work together, have Town Hall meetings; respecting and listening to each other. Ultimately, we have given decision making power to those who were elected. It is their job to serve us, the community, and I think they are doing a pretty good job.
Glenn Abraham
10:28 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Once again, Sarah serves as the model for how we all should be behaving.
Toni Leance
10:38 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Sarah you are right with where the saying came from but it is part of everyday idiom and has lost the conection to the Jones town tragedy from where it came. If you asked 10 people where it came from I would guess 8 or more wouldn't know but they get the idea.
Phil Simmons
11:58 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Sarah,
You are exactly right. The Kool-Aid reference is often thrown out there when someone disagrees with a group of people. It is used as an attack and usually has no merit. That is why I took the opportunity to try to point to the fact that there are lots of issues that have two sides and obviously those issues are not supported by Kool-Aid drinkers. Those issues are supported by concerned citizens. The Kool-Aid remarks are often made by the side that can't make a logical argument for how they see things.
Though I have to say it is an effective tool for pointing at groups sharing the same ideas, as in the Jones tragedy. So, as to the Waterfront development, More please...
Phil Simmons
4:56 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Sarah,
I got to thinking about your concern about the Kool-Aid comments. I am compeled to correct your comments and my forgetfulness.
Actually the term was not brought about by the 1978 Jonestown incident, though the term was used to reference what happened there. Actually at Jonestown they used something called "Flavor-Aid" which I suspect was a "knock off" brand.
But, more to the point, the first use that I recall was 10 years earlier. The term was a pretty well worn phrase by the time Jonestown came around and is probably why so many applied it the incident. In 1968 there was a book written by Tom Wolfe, the well known author of "Bonfire of the Vanities", "I am Charlotte Simmons", "The Right Stuff", and many more. In 1968 he wrote "The Electric Acid Kool-Aid Test". It was about Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters and there rather interesting "trip". I suspect many Californians are familiar with the story.
I recall hearing the term "drinking the Kool-Aid" long before Jonestown and quite frequently. But for some inexplicable reason I had temporarily forgot its origins.
I just wanted to set the record straight on this most important bit on information.
G.C.
10:28 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
I'm glad to see our new CM and FD have been added to the following list for our Redevelopment Agency, but why are some of these other folks still hanging around?
http://www.calredevelop.org/Programs-Home-Ownership-Assistance-Program/Hercules-Redevelopment-Agency
Carol
10:35 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
@ Toni - 1) I do not know Dan Romero. 2) What post are you referring to that got deleted? I only personally deleted one of my posts and reposted it because I had a misspelling. Did the Patch find one of my posts vulgar? I have never name called or used foul language on any post. 3) I am pretty sure I am not the only supporter of the 3 recall candidates thoughts as I supported the recall 100%. I am disheartened that Mr. Boulanger felt the need to lie, never something that should be tolerated, but we have the opportunity to vote him out at the next election if the voters choose to do so. As for John and Myrna - to date they are the only ones that have done something I felt is "questionable". Believe me, when I see another council member step out of bounds - be it Romero, Wilkins, Boulanger, DeVera or DelGado - you can rest assured I will call them on it.
I have a question for you - you say "Dan has had issues regarding their opinion from Cabral" How do you know that? I never saw anything about that in the paper - is this something that was brought up in a meeting because it is the first I have heard about it.
But really, stop assuming as you are 100% incorrect about me. Now it seems you think I am a conspiracy on the Patch! Wow - it never ends.....
Toni Leance
10:46 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
the lady doth protest too much, me thinks
Carol
10:52 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
you think?
G.C.
11:23 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Carol,
Toni is voicing her criticism of those city officials and their actions that she has concerns about. We can listen to her or ignore her or engage in a positive discussion with her.
I've been following your comments beginning with "there she (Toni) goes again" and you have been policing her, advising her, telling her how to think, how to act, what to do. If you have your thoughts on the issues at hand, let's hear them, but is there really any need to jump all over the commenter?
I always appreciate your insight, Carol, but I also appreciate Toni's. Let's keep this more constructive. Thanks.
Carol
11:31 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
@G.C. jump all over the commentator? Positive discussion? She accused me of something that I had no party to, she accuses me of mirroring, she assumes a lot about me, without even knowing me. I still believe that we need to allow the CM and the council to do their job. Toni is on a witch hunt. She does not like the CM and she will go all out until she gets what she wants.
Glenn Abraham
11:41 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Toni is another person who has not, in this thread, been getting the respect she deserves. She is better-informed about civic affairs than ANY other private citizen of whom I have knowledge. What she does, she does as a volunteer, giving freely and heavily of her own time. She also knows a lot more than any of us do about Hercules' financial issues. I don't know if she's right, I do know that we should pay attention to and respect what she says.
And, fwiw, Toni is (and at least, was) a very strong supporter of Dan Romero. She is not attacking a political enemy.
G.C.
12:38 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Carol,
You say we should let the council do their job, right? What if I told you that a council member tried to do their job, but was told to climb back in their hole? Then what? That council member represents me. What was said to them was said to me. So yes, you are correct. Some folks need to let the council members do their job, like it or not.
Toni Leance
10:39 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
one more example of Steve shoving down our throats this appointment. Hey Steve how about updating the rest of the site or at least give us the org chart we have been asking for.
Glenn Abraham
10:56 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Carol: Myrna has been the one (and only) councilmember who has consistently chosen the ethically honorable path over the practically expedient alternative. From her first days on the council, when she bravely voted (alone) against making Balico mayor ("I am voting my conscience"), she has demonstrated a consistent pattern of doing the right thing, and putting the wishes of the community above the wishes of the city manager or city staff or a voting majority of the council. For me, at least, it is your attacks on Myrna which make you seem like a faithful partisan of a particular councilmember or council faction. I am in no way implying that I have any doubts about the ethics of any other councilmember (except, of course, for Boulanger, who is absurdly unethical). I am saying that anyone who has consistently watched Myrna's behavior since she joined the council would have to conclude that, of all the councilmembers, her integrity is the least open to question.
Fwiw, I was never a supporter of Myrna prior to her taking her seat on the council. I am not blindly supporting anything&everything that "my" candidate does. I wasn't her supporter until I saw her in action. I WAS, though, a strong supporter of Gérard Boulanger. As I have with Myrna, I have judged M. Boulanger on his ACTIONS, not his words, and my avid support for him has turned to avid opposition. Myrna has proven herself trustworthy. Let's concentrate on those who haven't.
Carol
11:04 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Glenn - well said - lets hope that she continues down the path. I am willing to support not only her but John and the rest of the council (yes even Boulanger) because they are what we have for now. I am not sure she is the "only" one who has been ethical and honorable, I think they all have as I have seen nothing (except not turning information over) to say differently (and the exception of Boulanger lying.) I get you don't like Boulanger - but you can vote him out in November and anyone else you think is not up to par. In the meantime I will continue to support the council and the CM.
Glenn Abraham
11:27 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Carol, I LIKE Gérard. J'ADORE Gérard. He is charming, he can be fascinating, he is a pleasure to be with, he and I have much in common, he and I share many of the same (unpopular) opinions. What I despise is Gérard's presence on the council, and his selfish insistence on imposing himself on the community after making something harmful of his presence. He did something wrong, he got caught, and he was thereafter unfit to serve in a position which absolutely requires public trust. He then compounded his earlier wrongs (and that was a whole matrix of wrong) with schemes to wriggle out of the trap he put himself into. NOTHING I've ever said here has anything to do with whether I like or dislike someone, anyone. Everything I say has to do with whether the individual is serving us or himself, and whether he is serving honorably or expediently.
I very strongly admire Dan Romero, for his consistent pattern of conduct over nine years. Yes, I do like him, very much, but that isn't why I support him. The reason that I support Myrna so openly and without qualification is that she has made herself open to the community. All of the others have been opaque. I personally believe that Bill Wilkins and John Delgado, and very possibly even Steve Duran, have been providing the community with marvellous service. They probably have, but I don't know. They are opaque. I trust openness, I distrust allusion and implication and secrecy. And I like Gérard.
Carol
11:39 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Glenn, well put. Thanks. I get the Gerard thing too, and it is not ideal. I wish he would have stepped down, but he did not so we deal with the cards we were dealt and wait for November when changes can be made.
Frankly, I feel sorry for anyone on the council. It is a thankless job, with very little benefits (unlike when Balico and his gang got lots of dough and lots of benefits) and no one can really understand what it is like to be on the hot seat. This council has been put in a situation where there will be no real winners for some time to come. I do not even know how they will be able to get Hercules out of the mess we are in. I am surprised we have staved off bankruptcy for as long as we have. No decision they ever make will have the full support of the community - look at the recall - Ward and Kuehne still had some supporters. That is why I keep saying to at least try and see it from their perspective and let them try to clean up the mess before shooting the messenger. No matter how much people do not like Duran - he did not get Hercules into the mess it is in.
Glenn Abraham
11:53 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Carol, for the zillionth time: we are not talking about whether we agree or disagree with the policies of the individual councilmembers or of the city manager. We are talking about the sneaky and secretive way in which some of those policies have recently been pushed forward in private sessions from which the community is intentionally excluded. For Steve Duran, I'm also talking about his treating the desires and needs of the community as "interference". I don't trust ANYbody who wants to act in the dark when conducting public business. I don't (at all) like the scheme for Safeway and the Gas Emporium, but that is NOT what I've been talking about here. I've been talking about the unsavory PROCESS.
Glenn Abraham
12:01 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
The focus of this thread is whether we should "support our city manager". I don't think we should support him unless he lets us know what it is that he is doing and that we should be supporting. We've just survived, barely, a secretive council/city manager cabal. Steve Duran's shadowy ways are the worst possible thing for Hercules now. Myrna's open discussions are the best. Public involvement is not "interference". It is what saved us all from valicolivamoto.
Carol
12:13 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
ok
Carol
12:47 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
@ G.C. - I do not understand your post about what if a council member etc, are you saying that a council member tried to do something and was told to buzz off? Is this a real situation or is this just an example of what might come. Sorry but that puzzled me.
G.C.
1:06 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
I'm not falling for that trick. No offense, Carol.
Carol
1:19 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
G.C. - you brought it up, not me, and I don't know what "trick" you mean. If you don't want to tell me - that's fine by me.
Selina Williams
2:02 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
I will support our CM and Council when they:
Stop drinking the "we have to avoid bankruptcy by any means" poison.
Avoiding "bankruptcy" by the fire sale of city assets argument is the same as the "debt crisis/American is broke" so lets eliminate SS and medicare argument. One does not relate to the other. First, Hercules is already bankrupt, and, American is not broke. Its all a matter of priorities and greasing palms.
There is a time and a place for filing for bankruptcy protection or RESTRUCTURING THE DEBT. The Key word here being "protection". If you sell off every city asset today, you will not pay down the debt that will continue to strangle this entire city.
It is just a matter of time until our creditors force bankruptcy. The hole is too deep and Safeway is not the miracle cure for many years of corruption and graft on a scale that is simple mind boggling.
Selina Williams
2:05 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
For a little perspective:
The entire neighborhood of Bayside, 100%, is underwater and downing. This represents as significant loss to Hercules in real values, tax revenue. The original buyer there were attracted to and sold a model, walkable, upscale community. Guess what? There aren't enough first responders to save those homeowners from the flood of incompetance the city of Hercules perpetrated upon its citizens.
Due to this incompetancy and the fall of their home values, many have had to declare bankruptcy! Oh NO! And guess what? The sun will rise another day!
Selina Williams
2:09 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Whether you like big box Safeway or not, Safeway will do nothing to stem bankruptcy. This deal will not stave off bankruptcy if that's what you think. Even Duran doesn't think that. Not even 50 pumps at a Safeway Mall would be enough to pay down or even make the interest payment on our debts. That 11-14 acres of land will have cost Hercules more than ~$20 mil (with clean up costs and bond interest payments to-date), not including future bond payments and interest, at the time of sale to Safeway for $9 mil. A more than $11 mil loss! It will take more than 20 years at the projected revenue of $500K/yr to even break even on this deal! How is that in any way perceived to be a good deal? Why arent citizens demanding a better deal if they actually want Safeway. You want it so badly you will pay for it for 20 years?
Selina Williams
2:58 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
In case I wasn't clear enough, I will support our CM and Council when they stop throwing the citizens under the bus, saving face, at our expense, with crappy back room deals.
Just say no to mediocrity.
Stop the fire sales.
Toni Leance
4:23 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
thank you Selina for your comments you say what I think but with much less acrimony I hope your message gets through
Susan D.Keeffe
3:39 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
@carol,
Thank you for your previous volunteerism. I'm sorry you have such a negative view of the current volunteers. I think you do them a disservice when you lump them altogether, say you don't want to meet then, accuse them of being angry, controlling and anti Council. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. I would still like to encourage you to attend 1-2 meetings to see for yourself who they are and how they operate. Most of them, including me, supported the recall and followed that up with working on the various campaigns. I believe a couple of them might in fact end up running for Council. Anyone willing to give that much of theirselves to the City has my respect. I think your derogatory comments regarding folks you don't know does then a disservice,.you might want to know that they all support the Counvil and work very closely with them. Once again, the complaints expressed over and over again are about process, not people.
Carol
4:13 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
@ Susan - it would be nice if I also go the same consideration, however, Toni seems to think I had something to do with a post being removed from this blog - at first I thought she meant something I wrote and deleted, but re-read it and realized she thinks I had a post of hers deleted. Maybe she should ask Laila, not me. I am really offended at that. As for derogatory comments - who did i name call? I have been accused of more things on this one particular blog than any other. I am sure that there are many great, caring individuals, like yourself, volunteering now for the city and I commend you for that. The complaints are not about just the process - its the people too. More power to anyone who would like to run in the next election - that's how this works. You don't like the people - you vote them out.
Toni Leance
4:25 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
I did call Laila and the post has been restored
Susan D.Keeffe
6:32 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Carol,
I agree with you. The ballot box is the way to go. I am certainly not aware of your name-calling anyone. You are always much more polite in your criticisms. I was responding specifically to your comments re Ad Hoc volunteers.The stated concerns which I share, have to do with transparency. Since the public was completely out of the loop on all recent decisions ,all we CAN do is speculate. For example, I expected Duran to post a job description for a new FD as soon as he was hired and I assumed he would want to build his own team. Why did he choose to wait and then do it without giving anyone an opportunity to compete for the job? No one criticized his right to hire -it was the manner of that hiring that created a "flap". Also, as Douglas stated, none of the recent decisions will get us out of debt. We can only speculate as to why suddenly SN might be all rentals and possibly no ground floor retail? Why did the City agree to a low ball price including spending more money to put in a pad for Safeway and an additional $200k for a lawsuit to remove a deed restriction? Why is Parcel C going to apartment rentals? We seem to be desperately just trying to get anybody in, no matter what it means for the long-term. Why select a gas station location so close to homes and where it could cause traffic problems? All of this occurred in a City that has basically been raped. The issue is process. The issue is transparency. I support our reform Council - but not blindly.
Annie R.
6:36 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Kool Aid = the slick, hard sell of the New Urbanism community. Pretty pictures and promises of Shangri-La from the former administration and developers. If I want fantasy, I'll visit Disneyland.
Susan D.Keeffe
7:00 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Annie R.,
A bitter drink indeed for all our neighbors who purchased specifically because of that dream and who are now left with nothing but debt, some with no homes, and others in a huge financial bind. And so we have another bitter Anti-Waterfront Annie remark.
Toni Leance
7:15 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Annie the new urbanism community was not just from the developers and/or the city it came out of the charettes that had community input it is an new urbanism concept. The city had a brownfield that needed to be developed they asked the citizens to help with the vision. You are obviously anti waterfront but don't think for one min. that the concept or the planning principals that govern new urbanism were shoved down anyones throat.
Phil Simmons
8:34 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Annie,
You could make your case better if you would stick to facts. For example, the past administration was totally opposed to the waterfront development no matter what you may have heard them say. The past CM and the past council made every possible move to redirect money away from the waterfront to other projects. The jobs at city hall were lost due to these changes and it cost the city dearly. The money was pumped into non-waterfront projects all of which were domed to failure. Had the waterfront project been the focus I am certain you and many others would still be employed. The failure of this city had little to do with the economy, everything to do with shifting money to NON-new-urbanism projects, and nothing to do with building the waterfront.
Let's not be re-writing history.
Jeffrey Boore
2:34 pm on Monday, February 27, 2012
@Annie R. - What do you mean by "the New Urbanism community"? Do you mean the thousands of Hercules citizens who participated in designing this vision in the charette 12 years ago? Do you mean the 3,700 Hercules citizens who signed the Waterfront Now Initiative a few years ago? The New Urbanism vision is shared by the overwhelming majority of Hercules citizens (>90%), as was clear from a broad poll taken at the time of the Initiative.
The landowner has been ready to build for many years. The city has blocked him without any reasonable cause. It is time to entitle this development and get out of his way.
Carol
6:45 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Toni - glad it got reposted - and I am certain that Laila assured you I had nothing to do with it. I am extremely happy that you pointed out the other times I mentioned Dan Romero - they were all in the context of using his name in regard to him recusing himself from the Carson Street debacle. It had nothing to do support. The only time I gave Kudos to him was when he became mayor - as did many others on the patch and you are not pointing them out.
As for your comment that was deleted and is now restored - I think that pretty much sums up your feelings. I am amazed that you use the word "hate". Contrary to what you say, I do not hate Myrna or John. I dont like what they withheld, but by no means do I hate them. As for Myrna being woman of the year again - I hope people go back and read that post as they will see that it was not meant as Myrna bashing - I actually said I had nothing against her, but the whole part of having someone be recognized is not to have the same people over again - there are many deserving women (and men) that can and should hold that honor. Not the same ones. I like the new council, and contrary to what you think - I do not know Dan personally. You want to keep beating that dead horse - go ahead.
Annie R.
7:01 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Carol,
=^..^=
G.C.
4:50 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Toni,
I made the same mistake you did regarding Carol. I assumed she was a member of Dan's HOA (so possibly a friend or acquaintance of Dan's) because of her thorough knowledge and interest in the Carson St. slide situation, but it turns out she is not a member of that HOA, just an interested citizen like I am.
Her first posts-comments began with the Carson St. slide discussion, so I was certain she was a member of the Refugio Heights HOA.
I took an interest because I realized Billy V. could easily be me. Carol took an interest for her own reasons. I think it just boils down to us all being neighbors in a small city.
Ok, the dead horse has been beaten some more.
Note to PETA: beating a dead horse does not constitute cruelty to animals. No living animals were harmed by my post.
Carol
8:58 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
@G.C. I do not live in that HOA but I have a lot of knowledge with regard to HOA's and litigation because of two different HOA's that I was on the board for in So Cal years ago. FYI - I wont run for another one again - its a thankless, horrible job. I prefer to be a mom.
Billy Vogele
9:23 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
Carol: Carson Street debacle? Really? Dismiss it as such as you may, but it's been raining a lot lately, and a mound of earth behind my former neighbor's abandoned house is growing and moving just like last year around this time, and it's a cause of concern for me, and that's real. Now I have made comments in this free-speech forum which pertained to my past observations of Dan Romero regarding the Carson Street issue, and guess what, I got a phone call from him personally shortly thereafter telling me to "redact" what I said. Do you think that this is appropriate for a city council member to do such a thing? At the time I felt as though he was attempting to intimidate me. Now I know that he's a hero of yours, but I consider this an invasion of my privacy and of my right to free speech and I am sure you would too. Now, as far as Dan recusing himself from this matter, I disagree with that move; I think that it was the easy way out. Whether you agree with me or not, and I am sure it's not, there are 290 minus 5 households in RHHA which contain at least 2 members each who are registered voters in this city who now know that Mr. Romero does not, or cannot, represent their interests in their particular corner of this beloved city. Too bad. I know that I for one will be thinking of this come next election day.
G.C.
10:08 pm on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
What definition of "recuse" are we referring to?
G.C.
6:49 am on Friday, March 16, 2012
Dan does have a right to defend himself if he believes the information is slanderous, but I would find a phone call intimidating, depending on how the caller presented themselves. I'd prefer a MAILED (not taped to my front door) letter to a phone call.
With a phone call, I might think the person's next step is to show up at my doorstep with a baseball bat. A letter, especially from an attorney, shows that the matter is following a legal process, which adds credibility to the complainant and the allegations raised.
I suspect the City Attorney advises council staff on the handling of such matters.
G.C.
10:20 pm on Friday, March 16, 2012
Billy,
On the flip side, Dan recently took the time to warn me about some folks who possibly might wish to cause me harm as a result of my comments. I greatly appreciated that he took the time to do this.
As a result of this warning, for the safety of my family, I will not comment further. For the safety of my family, I will keep my mouth shut without reservation. I value my family that much. To anyone reading this, please spread the word. Call me a coward. I don't care. Hercules politics isn't worth it to me. My family means everything to me. Thanks.
Thanks for the warning, Dan.
Giorgio
G.C.
8:26 am on Saturday, March 17, 2012
After some feedback, I'll comment on matters that are very important to me, worth fighting for. It appears I commented on an issue that wasn't all that very important to me, but is a very hot issue for others. The same goes for city council infighting which I could care less about. Our city council consists of adults, so should know how to work-play with others at this stage of their life.
The warning I received kind of creeped me out. Really weird stuff.
Carol
10:11 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Annie - we better be careful - TPTB might think we are in this together - even though we have never met. FYI - unlike the others - I am for anything that will get Hercules moving. The waterfront - great! Sycamore North, south whatever - I do not care what it is - we need to move on!!!! I want Hercules to succeed. I am still so angry at what happened with the prior administration, but I do feel like we have individuals now that can help us get where we need to be, and until I see a major discord, I will support them ALL. That does not mean they wont mess up or I will agree with what they do or say 100% - I wont. But I will point it out when I see it. You cannot please all of the people all of the time. It is impossible.
Susan D.Keeffe
10:42 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Carol,
No worries. You are nothing like Anti-Annie. I'm sure the powers that be will have no problems differentiating you. I agree we must move forward but in a smart way. This is not the time for rash decisions for the sake of expediency that everyone will regret later.
Sarah Creeley
11:03 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
I agree, Susan. As Selena said, "No fire sales!"
Annie R.
11:15 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Carol,
I would like to see Hercules succeed as well, but it seems as though we can't get the fourth wheel out of the mud. After living in Hercules for 29 years, I've developed the "I'll believe it when it happens" attitude.
Despite what Susan, Phil, and Toni want to believe, I was neutral on the Waterfront, as was the case with the "upscale" outlet mall planned for Creekside Center. Slick, 4-color promotional literature was available to residents -- and hey, I really liked the gazebo in the center, where live music would add to the ambiance. On the flip side, I was opposed to Walmart coming to town. And here we are, with no upscale mall, Walmart, or New Urbanism by the Waterfront...
Susan D.Keeffe
2:03 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Annie,
It's more than time for Hercules to actually do something that will help the City. . They have a chance with the settlement agreement to begin phase 1. We'll see.
Selina Williams
9:19 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
It is my belief that most people on this page have more in common than one would think. Number one thing is we all find or found something to love in Hercules.
Last night, I saw a plan for a new downtown plan being presented to the people of San Ramon. Looked just like the Hercules plan. That gave me shivers.
Sarah Creeley
10:12 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Common ground, common cause. Don't we all want Hercules to succeed? I think, yes! I agree with Selena when she writes, "It is my belief that most people on this page have more in common than one would think. Number one thing is we all find or found something to love in Hercules." Selena is right about the requirement on us, the community to speak up if we believe we are getting a bad deal. Hercules has historically given so much away. Selena is right to want our community to have a seat at the table of decisionmaking. It is on us, the community, to step up, out of our love for Hercules and be heard. You do not have to attack people personally to stand up for what you believe to be true.
Susan D.Keeffe
10:20 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Sarah,
Great comment! The beauty of a democracy is we actually can speak up! If more of us, myself included, had paid attention and spoken up during the Sakemoto/Oliva reigns, I like to think it would have made a difference. Of course, some of us actually did go to council meetings and speak but we were pretty much ignored. Our new Council is much more open and receptive and they have my support. But from time to time, if we find something we disagree with or question, I think its important to speak up. We are all humans and humans make mistakes. So lets try very hard not to panic and not sell randomly to anyone just to unload properties only to discover that we have created a strip mall with big boxes, traffic jams, and an ugly place that slowly goes into decline. We can do better.
Annie R.
9:29 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Susan,
You've assured Carol the she is "nothing like Anti-Annie." If you would be so kind as to explain the comment, I'd appreciate it. I am certain Carol would agree.
Have a wonderful day!
Susan D.Keeffe
9:47 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Annie,
I'm surprised you asked? After over two years of posting negative Waterfront posts, I'm not sure what you expected folks to think.
Annie R.
11:08 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Susan, -
I'm a realist, just as Carol stated. There's no bitterness, as you want to believe -- not even over the massive layoffs caused by the financial disaster. As I stated in a previous post, I left with my integrity and honesty intact. Can't put a value on those characteristics.
Carol
9:55 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Susan - I am not sure it is so much negative - as negative about the reality of it actually happening. I too am doubtful we will get what we want. I sure hope I am wrong, but the fact is there is no money, and Annie has seen first hand (as an employee of the city) what happened to all the money. Her "I'll believe it when i see it attitude" reflects what she has been through. Lots of big empty promises.
Susan D.Keeffe
10:07 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Carol,
I agree. I've been here since 1988. Lots and lots of empty promises. Phase 1 financials are covered. Without Phase 1, there is no Phase 2. If there is a phase 1, there will be more investors and more incentives. Its ironic that outside agencies are more supportive of the Waterfront than many folks here. I'm tired of the negativity. I believe in the power of positive thinking. So lets think positive!
Annie R.
11:09 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Thank you, Carol. I hope we have the opportunity to meet one day!
Carol
11:33 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Annie - I hope to meet you someday too!
Sarah Creeley
10:17 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Carol, you make a valid point. Even so, we can't just give up.
Carol
10:53 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Sarah - I am not giving up. Quite the contrary. But I do not see how the city can move forward without having a fire sale of some sort - there is no money. How can you run a city without money?
Selina Williams
11:10 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
RE: Mythology of fire sales producing money to run the city. Until the city has an agreement with its creditors such as AMBAC, not one cent of the money from fire sales will be available to use to run the city. NONE of those dollars will go to the general fund. The funds will be used to pay debt. No one will benefit from that except the banks that we already bailed out and that wrote the 5% bonds with money they got from the treasury at 0%. Nice. Also, AMBAC is the equivalent of AIG, they both insured CDO's (collaterized debt obligations otherwise known as subprime loans marketed as AAA products) and then allowed the same banks they insured to bet against them. So as far as I am concerned they are crooks and liars.
Toni Leance
3:49 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
it isn't whether or not to have a fire sale it is what that sale will bring to our city. You have read Durans report Parcel C is slated for apartments don't be fooled by "residential" that residential is apartments same with Victoria Cresent. Sycamore North is in contract and now no retail, Safeway/gas station is in contract we are no longer talking about what should be on these properties we are only talking about nuance the deed is done. If we don't stop this and get Steve and his band of merry men(the council) to stop the madness it will be too late you will get a big box grocery, 16 pump gas station, and a sea of apartments that will render Hercules a bedroom suburb forever not the town we voted for or the town we invested in just another Richmond, San Pablo, Rodeo. Why wont people wake up before it is too late and the entire discussion is fait accompli.
Sarah Creeley
10:09 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
What I don't understand about building a lot of new homes/apartments is that we already have so many empty forclosed homes. Won't adding more homes to the mix lessen the value of all by creating a housing glut?
Glenn Abraham
10:22 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
I don't know if significant new rental neighborhoods will lower our current housing values, but it does sound like a good way to create the kind of über-glut that made housing in Las Vegas and parts of Florida such an especially extreme disaster in the current recession. If we build all of that rental housing now, on top of all of the empty homes we currently have, we could be setting ourselves up for our own, private, Hercules-only Second Housing Crash.
G.C.
6:30 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Would Toni and others have any interest in forming their own Blog site?
The Patch and the council meetings and City Manager reports all serve a purpose in terms of educating the citizens, but keeping the issues straight and where each council member stands on each is not so easy.
Subcommittees and the City Council Meetings strangely enough do not have minutes. I have to watch a video of the city council meeting or rely on the Patch. I do watch the meetings when I can.
I want to know exactly where each council member stands on each issue, but this means sorting through Patch pages looking for voting records, etc. Who is selling me down the river? What is the evidence for this?
Here is my plea-suggestion. For those of you who are so involved, who attend the meetings, etc, please consider starting your own webpage. Post your observations and concerns there instead of all over the Patch comments where I have to seek out this critical information in the midst of a battle field of sorts.
I want the efforts of these folks who are watching our city so closely to not go to waste one iota! I appreciate your efforts. I will even start a website if you want to submit your weekly reports to me for posting. This blog would be different from the Patch because it would consist of reports, not rants/discussions.
Let me know if you are interested. Thanks.
Hector Rubio
9:10 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
@ GC the finance ad-hoc committee has meeting minutes. You can download the "Summary" at: http://www.ci.hercules.ca.us/index.aspx?page=646
G.C.
9:34 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Thanks, Hector. I appreciate your professionalism and the very hard work you are doing for our city.
Susan D.Keeffe
4:00 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Georgio,
I recommend the Waterfront Watch. This has good information. Otherwise, I really don't want to spend even more time on multiple blogs. Re minutes - there are minutes. This is one reform that is actually happening! Both Ad Hoc committees have minutes and so does the Bayfront Task Force. The minutes should be available on the website. The council is also supposed to have minutes but they got very far behind and the City Clerk is attemptiing to get caught up with months of missing minutes. Eventually, they too will be up to date and on the City's website.
Toni Leance
8:18 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
GC I want my rants and discussions here on the Patch because it reaches more people I don't want to be realigated to an off site. There are minutes of the Ad Hoc and subcommitees and you should be able to access those on the city site.
If you want to know where the council stands you have to watch the meetings so far it looks like Dan and Gerard are pro Duran and Myrna and John are questioning his actions and Bill would be a swing vote. Myrna has asked at the last meeting to review Duran and his performance and was quickly rebuffed by Dan who pushed out the review 2 months even though Duran said he would be happy to be reviewed. So I don't get that and people should question why that is being done. As far as spending on a consultant to do a push pull and direct mailers to convience us to give the city more tax money that vote was Bill, John and Dan yes to spend over 60K and Myrna and Gerard voting not to spend the money. Dan is pro Safeway and in general pro business. They all say they are for the waterfront but there still isn't an aggreement with Anderson. Myrna was the only one to question Safeway as to why they were not building according to the plan and was quickly told by Safeway that that plan won't work for them and they this is the only size that will work and it must have a gas station attached. So that is my take for what it is worth I am sure others will chime in.
G.C.
9:33 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012
Please consider submitting letters to the CC Times, Toni. The same goes for anyone else who, like you, has taken the time to learn the facts and cares enough to share them with us all. Thank you, Toni.
Susan D.Keeffe
10:33 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Sarah,
I'm not an expert in real estate, but the law of supply and demand does apply. So I would think yes, it will hurt us further. And, if the number of rentals becomes greater than the number of home owners., when values start to rise, we will rise at a lower rate than our neighbors. In the long term, Hercules will slowly decline and our values will remain poor. We need retail. The Waterfront, on the other hand, mirrors the national trend away from the suburbs and would give all of us, and the region, a boost.
Adam Schiff
10:37 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Been here 8 years now and once again there is a council not interested in what we have to say -- until election time. City Manager unable to tell us what our money situation is?; refuses to explain process used to hire "crony" as Finance Director?; defies Council Member who asks questions, in writing and with Mayor's support? Mayor allows this and treats Council Member like it's the wrong time of the month? Business being dome behind closed doors??
I thought the Sakamoto/Oliva era was over? WRONG!!!!!!
Glenn Abraham
11:13 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Adam, that's a good summation of our current, lamentable, situation.
Phil Simmons
2:50 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Toni,
You are exactly right. Our home values are down not just because of the housing collapse. They are also down because of the failed plans for the area. But it is not just the waterfront homes.The dramatic fall of the new communities pulled all of the other Hercules homes in the hills down with them. They also fell farther than they would have. A quick study of other communities points to this reality very clearly. Rental properties will cause not just the waterfront homes but all of the homes in Hercules to fail to recover to the extent that the should.
The only hope for a recovery for the entire city will happen only if proper new development can be dome to create a community that is not just a "pass-by bedroom community" More rental properties are certainly no way to bring value to the city. Let's just hope that those that decide these land use issues don't ruin our potential.
Toni Leance
11:24 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Susan I am a Real Estate expert and what set Hercules apart was the waterfront or the promise of the waterfront. When we bought our homes there was an X factor figured into the purchase price based on the fact that there was to be a waterfront. If you bought in Pinole, San Pablo or Hilltop area of Richmond the homes were less. Without the waterfront and with typical San Pablo corridor development our homes will not compete remember or homes are small lot, not much backyards and close together as opposed to homes in more typical neighborhoods with big back yard and some space between our type of homes only work in context with the waterfront development to complete them. Apartments by nature of a transiant population give back little to a community. Residents are not as committed to the community as homeowners who have skin in the game. The city properties were never intended as apartments they are not zoned as such and to rezone and build as apartments will harm values for a long time to come. Hercules Waterfront and Victoria by the Bay homes are already in serious trouble people are being forced out by the banks everyday. I know in my neighborhood of 78 +/- homes there are only a handfull of orginal homeowners. It is a crisis.
Susan D.Keeffe
12:57 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Toni,
Thanks so much for this important information. It makes it all the more puzzling why Oliva did not get this and why there are still folks who are opposed to the Waterfront development. Decisions to quick sell and lose the Plan are really devastating to our future. All property values in Hercules are almost 50% down. Of course the pain is much worse for those who purchased at the peak. Promenade has also been hit with defaults and foreclosures. The future we are trying to protect is not only ours, it's our children's. The Council needs to hear from the residents that they care about preserving the Waterfront. If we want it, we will have to fight for it.
Adam Schiff
1:14 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Is Romero the man for the "job" or is he just another Balico?
Richard L.
2:16 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
I never expected things to turn so quickly in the City. I'll be the first to admit I'm not 100% informed on what's going on in City Hall but I can say I don't see the transparency those on the council were preaching. Mayor Romero I recall would frequent this board along with the other recall members prior to the recall election. I believe one of the last times I saw him write on here was when his pal Councilman Boulanger admitted to being a liar and Mayor Romero said we should play things out. That was the first instance I became skeptical of Mayor Romero. He talked a big game before that, always "blowing the whistle" and raising his concerns, which is fine. However, when it was one of his pals that made an EGREGIOUS error, he reminds silent. I can assure you if it was one of the other candidates during that election, aside from Councilman Wilkins, he would not have said to wait and pass on judgment. I had heard other rumblings about things Councilman Romero had done during the election and once they took office. One thing in particular that took case during a budget meeting which raised some eyebrows. Regardless, it's a little disappointing that someone people had so much faith in is faltering so early on. For myself, I hope there are new citiznes who can step up during the Novemeber election and hopefully people with high character and people of action..... One can hope...
Glenn Abraham
5:39 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Dan is definitely NOT another balico. Dan is characterized by the integrity which balico so obviously lacks. Dan is not another balico, but he (recently, at least) has not been the transparent candidate, open to community input, who I had expected. With the obvious exception of Pinocchieaux, I don't think we have a problem with honesty in the current régime. We do, though, have other problems. Very disappointing, very cynicism-generating.
G.C.
9:53 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012
Thank you, Steve Duran, for bringing disharmony to our City Council.
joseph Guadagne
10:13 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
Adam, I don't know you, but it sounds like you have an ax to grind!??!!? You are a harsh critic!!! Comparing Dan to Balico!??!
If you think you could do a better job, then why don't you put your money where your mouth is and run for council! It is easy to throw grenades from the bushes,
This city is still in very rough shape; almost weekly there is a new fire to be put out. Personally, I think one would have to be certifiable to run for public office in Hercules. Our council has a thankless job, rife with institutional problems inherited from our predecessors. These people work your tail off, give up a great deal of their personal time and walk around with a target on your back for not much compensation. Lets be real...there is no silver bullet, no magic pill, no quick fix for our problems. It is going to be take time to turn this ship around. No matter the decision our elected leaders make, there will always be someone who disagrees. Everyone is entitled to their opinion: but please, If you disagree with something specific; state what it is and make a rational argument against it. Perhaps suggestion a better solution. But please, don't just spew personal school yard attacks. We are better than that! At least I'd like to think so.
Susan D.Keeffe
4:31 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Adam,
That is a ridiculous comparison. Balico was involved in real estate deals he benefitted from allegedly while he was sitting on the Council and voting on those deals. There are questions about his reporting all his income on his income taxes. Since the FBI is now going over the books, they may find irregularities involving him as well as Oliva. Balico managed to get friends and relatives jobs in the City, and special deals on condos including, as I understand, his daughter. Dan has no private deals, no relatives he has placed or is placing in the City, no cronyism, no nepotism, and no questionable real estate deals. Let's try to keep some perspective.
Adam Schiff
1:43 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
There's no new Balico YET just like there was no Balico when Balico first took office
Glenn Abraham
10:44 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
I've followed Dan Romero's involvement in Hercules council affairs since 2003. He has a consistent record of public advocacy, and I'm unaware of any indication of his indulging in baliconian self-serving policymaking. Valstad and balico were already visibly disingenuous and (as to balico, at least) sleazy back in '03. There IS a new balico on this council, but that's Pinocchieaux. Problem is, Pinocchieaux is already doing damage. His was the swing vote that saved us from having Charlie Long as city manager, leading to our missing our best chance to have a transparent and clearly-honest city manager instead of an opaque (and who knows about honesty, since we don't know what's going on) city manager. He also aligns himself with the faction that springs full-blown Safeways and Gasways and rental districts on us. For what he did in order to be elected, for what he did once caught, and for what he is, Le Weasel has to go, as a matter of principle. Now, his actions have proven that he has to go, as a matter of practice. I knew that Boulanger would be bad for Hercules, but I didn't know that he would do THIS much damamge, because I had expected the other, honest councilmembers to marginalize him on the council. In practice, only Myrna was serious about removing this stain from the council. (Maybe John too, but, if so, he was very quiet about it.) Others seem to find him useful.
And, once again, Myrna stood out as the voice of consistent integrity.
G.C.
6:30 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
Toni,
A supervisor does not change the performance evaluation schedule when an employee has demonstrated questionable or misconduct, including acts of willful disobedience, insubordination or belligerent behavior.
The supervisor(s) is supposed to address the behavior immediately, beginning the progressive discipline protocol. The first incident is usually handled with informal counseling, assuming it is minor.
Here is an example of a supervisor's manual
http://www.documents.dgs.ca.gov/ohr/pom/supervisorshandbook.pdf
This manual also makes it clear what is expected of all employees in terms of conduct.
Regarding this recent incident, the City Manager stated he does not have to defend his choice for Finance Director. He is correct, he does not. He also is not to be subjected to acts of coercion with respect to his appointment process.
He was not being asked to defend his choice. He was being asked to address the possible fall-out of perceived cronyism that the council member would have to explain to citizens. This was a valid concern and the City Manager refused to comply with the request.
The other council members failed to comprehend the implications of the City Manager's actions. This is not about interference with the affairs of the city, but is about the conduct of the City Manager. He refused to address the concerns of one of his supervisors.
Google "City Manager Performance Evaluation" and you will see what is expected of City Managers.
Susan D.Keeffe
7:21 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
GC
I think a six month review is very reasonable. His contract calls for a yearly review but six months gives a good progress report evaluation. I am still a supporter of our reform Council. Everyone is new, including the CM. mistakes were made and they should learn from them. If he gets a signed settlement agreement that will be a huge positive.
Glenn Abraham
10:56 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
Susan, "mistakes were made", yes, but once public reaction indicated that these were, indeed, mistakes, the council/city manager didn't bother to rectify, or even modify, those mistakes. It looks as if those mistakes were made intentionally, and the fact that the council clung to its mistakes even after public reaction showed that a correction was needed, is a good indications that mistakes will continue to be made in the future. Intentionally.
Sarah Creeley
7:39 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
Giorgio, Really??? It's like you are your own little tornado, spinning this thread with a slew of negative overblown remarks about Steve Duran. What is up with that?
@ Susan- What signed settlement agreement are you referring to?
Selina Williams
1:30 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Sarah, there are things you dont know about, much of which is better not discussed on the patch as people are too busy taking swipes at each other. I understand because many of us feel we have been duped in one way or another. Whether its the hope for a new transparent council and charismatic leaders with integrity, or that vision of a triving town with exemplary designs for living. It's all very unpleasant but a little kindness does go a long way. So thank you for yours!
G.C.
7:40 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Who asked you, Sarah? What happened to freedom of speech and ideas on the Patch? I didn't attack any commenters here, just shared some thoughts with Toni. And that bothers you? And you are a teacher?
Someone shared some disturbing communications with me and I have something to say about it, so let me have my say just like everyone else here has a say.
You are a real jerk, so kiss off.
Phil Simmons
8:34 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
To everyone ranting about the CM and an evaluation consider this. Regardless of the question of Steve Duran's performance, good, bad, great, horrible, right, wrong, positive, negative, with public support, without public support, or any other way you want to view it there is one thing certain.
He has the full support of at least a majority of the council members.
So, there is you review.
Glenn Abraham
11:04 am on Friday, February 24, 2012
Well, Phil, you're right, of course. What has happened is a good indication that Steve Duran has the support of a majority of councilmembers. He may even be acting at their direction. Myrna's review has little chance of accomplishing anything. But, at least, she tried, and she was the only one who did.
Susan D.Keeffe
3:53 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Phil,
I have trust that our council members are capable of performing an objective and fair review. If they aren't capable of that, they shouldn't be on the council.
Phil Simmons
3:57 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Susan,
The review has been done on a daily bases. All that is being discussed is formalizing a document for the files.
Susan D.Keeffe
4:03 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Phil,
I disagree. There is a big difference from informally forming opinions on a daily basis, and going through a formalized review that is structured and bound by laws and regulations. In such cases, even folks you dislike may end up with a positive review and vice versa. Have you ever had to evaluate and supervise personnel? I have and I can assure you its very important to do it objectively and professionally.
Phil Simmons
4:59 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Susan,
There is nothing to disagree with me over. I was not stating an opinion of how things should or should not happen. I was simply stating the way it is.
joseph Guadagne
12:21 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
I in no way am indorsing any of Steve Duran's actions...but I believe public perception may in fact be clouded...Steve Duran's contract calls for a one year review; Myrna called for a 6 month review, shortly after a heated argument with Steve: could anyone believe, an employee review on the heels of an heated argument, could be unbiased and evenhanded. I believe this would have been more of a public spectacle than a fair review! In this situation I believe cooler heads prevailed. Steve will have his review in due time, but while barbarians are at gate with pitchforks and torches is not the time..
Glenn Abraham
12:32 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Joseph, there's more to this than any personal animosity that might exist between Steve Duran and Myrna. I'm personally very much concerned with the secretive way in which Mr. Duran has carried out some very significant projects. I'm also concerned to have a city manager who serves, not the council, but a council faction. And, although it's likely that that faction supports Steve Duran's actions on specific projects (Safeway, Gasway, Sycamore Crossing rental housing, Parcel C rental housing, Sycamore North ground floor rental housing, the unannounced hiring of Nickie Mastay), they have not publicly stated their support for these projects, and that leaves open the possibility that we have a city manager who is responsive to NONE of the councilmembers...though I suspect he has the support of his faction.
The city manager works for the council, and that means ALL of the councilmembers. Insubordination against one or two councilmembers is no more acceptable than insubordination against five. If this council operated more openly, we wouldn't have to guess whether insubordination is even an issue...but they're not open, and we're left with guesses.
Selina Williams
1:18 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Enough of the name calling! I for one do not find our former Mayor, nor those who support her in her service on the council to be Barbarians! When some one of authority creates a hostile work environment it is only right that there be a review or at least some intervention. That is the civilized thing to do and has nothing to do with Barbarians. That is the way it works in private industry and our council should not be exceptional. How do we expect our council to be strong enough to "blow the whistle" when necessary if we do not offer them protection or redress?
Susan D.Keeffe
1:18 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Sarah,
The settlement agreement pertains to the ITC. I'm not sure if you're aware all that land is privately owned? Nothing can happen until the City owns that portion. This is a deal that should have been done years ago but Oliva squandered the bond funds for it. Duran ,Charlie Long and others have been putting in marathon meetings trying to get this done because now the money is gone. It's been very complicated working out terms the owner will agree to.without this agreement there is no Waterfront. So our future is tied up with this. They are really close to success. We will find out on Feb 28th if an agreement is ready for signing!
Sarah Creeley
2:01 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Thanks Susan. I hope it goes well.
joseph Guadagne
1:19 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Richard L: you seem to reach conclusions by hearsay and innuendo. But as one who was there, I would like to set the record straight on a few of your suppositions:
Nothing, Myrna, John, Bill, Dan, the Pope, or President Obama could have said to, or about Gerrard after the election could have changed the outcome. The decision to take possession of his council seat was solely Gerrard's. At a time, when others were making public statements and giving speeches; Dan chose to ask Gerrard to step aside in private. To me, that speaks volumes about a persons character. It would have been easy to lambast him in public, as some did, But that was just political theater, no one held sway over the situation to change the outcome!
About Dan raising eyebrows during a budget meeting: Dan taking the Planning Manager, Dennis Tagashira, to task for trying to take advantage of a new council, may have raise a few eyebrows, maybe even cross some eyes, but, I feel was his right and was warranted. The planning department wanted the council just to okay the increases without any discussion and without a Nexus report, which is required by law. But hiking planning fees 50% was the wrong move and would have stopped any possible negotiations with Anderson/Pacific,
I think you are too easily swayed by hearsay and second hand information. It is OK if you don't like Dan, after all, we can't like everyone, but don't be duped into carrying water for others who are trying to make political points. MORE
Richard L.
2:25 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Mr. Guadagne: I wouldn't say I "don't like Dan." Hell I voted for the guy because I believe he was being transparenc, a new voice, and hope for Hercules. I guess I was used to the Mr. Romero who was very loud when he saw something he didn't think was right, which to me spoke volumes of his character. But I suppose, when it comes to your pals, it's time to do it quietly. I believe his words were "Ethics and transparency will dictate the future of Hercules." Aside for one councilmember, I'm sure the councilmembers have ethics which I would not question. Transparency seems to be lacking for me. For myself, I don't really care who the City Manager chose. To me, it was more the process and reaction thereafter. However, I would not equate any of the councilmembers to Former Mayor Balico. At his point in time, I think that's almost laughable. As far as the budget meeting, you didn't hammer specifically which eyebrows I was talking about but it's a mute point. I thought the recall was about honesty and transparency. The first one went out the door before the election even happened; the second one is TBD but not looking as promising as hoped.
michael cutler
4:01 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
The hatchetman is back. When Gerard was being pummeled, this guy produced Gerard's curriculum vitae. He spoke out against people asking Gerard to resign. Now Dan has turned a a few people left that will do his talking.
It is the first time I heard that Dan asked Gerard to resign. But I heard Dan get mad at Charlie Long for being transparent to the Bayfront Task Force. I heard Dan get mad at the dog catcher's boss. I have seen Dan also showing his anger at the ice cream truck man. This last council meeting, he got mad at citizens who get advice from Patrick Tang even if Patrick does not charge the city anything. Dan wants citizens to go to him to ask for permission. Dan and Duran pushed for the push poll that my taxes are paying for to ensure that I get taxed some more. What kind of a Republican is he? On and on just by watching council meetings.
I can criticize my representative whenever I want to and do not need to be given the answer that I then should run for office. Romero has been given over a year. He does not to be given more time. In the two months that he has become mayor, policies have changed. Anyone watching council meetings would see transparency, honesty, competence and treatment of citizens have changed. Watch the council meetings in 2010 and you will find things are going back. The brave, vigilant citizens are now complaining against Moe, Larry and Curly, although they look different now, the actions and reactions are stunningly the same.
joseph Guadagne
1:31 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Point of correction: Selena.. "Barbarians at the Gate," was a reference to the Bryan Burrough book about the 1988 leveraged buyout takeover of RJR Nabisco. Not a reference to Myrna or her political followers!!! "The woman doth protest too much." (Shakespeare) My point was that this is a political hot potato, and rash decisions and actions at a time of strife could lead to more problems. :)
Selina Williams
2:24 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Joseph, Thanks for the clarification! Now that is a reference I can agree with. We do have barbarians at the gate (Ambac, Catellus to name a couple).
Selina Williams
2:41 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
The tactics one uses when speaking truth to power are not the same tactics one uses when one is the power.
Food for thought.
Susan D.Keeffe
3:51 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Exactly!
joseph Guadagne
3:41 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Richard: the idealism, enthusiasm and rhetoric of a candidate on the political trail becomes hard to maintain when it clashes with the reality of what the the limitations of the seat actually is. Just ask President Obama. Once seated a councilperson must pivot because he is a representative for all the people, not just those who cast a vote for them. Dan is still Dan, but as he matures into his responsibilities he must temper his actions to the dignity of the position. You may still think of him as "the watchdog," but currently he is wearing a different hat. You won't see him jumping up and down during the public comments of a council meeting, but that doesn't mean he won't speak up, when he sees something wrong: example: calling Liz Warmerdam to the carpet for the electronic payment for Sycamore North insurance, without council approval. (I mention this not to disparage Liz or rehash water under the bridge but as an example), Today Dan is no longer a watchdog, but our Mayer.
Susan D.Keeffe
3:51 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Joseph,
Well stated. Dan is learning, as are all our new council members, what it is like to be in this difficult position. I admire them all for their courage and dedication to our city. This is a job I would never seek or want to do. They spend hours weekly in mandatory regional meetings they are not permitted to delegate, despite having jobs (in most cases). It is indeed easy for us to criticize, but we must also temper our criticism with fairness and perspective. I will always speak to transparency and I may not like some of what has been happening, but as with Richard, my concern is with process, not people. It is in all our bests interests for them to succeed.
Glenn Abraham
4:54 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Susan, different people have different definitions of "success". I do not consider a jumbo grocery store & a jumbo parking lot & a jumbo gas station & a lot of rental housing, all of that at the very center of our town, to be a "success". I know Dan well enough to be confident that he's doing what he thinks is best; best for Hercules, not best for Dan. But, again, different people have different definitions.
And I don't know Steve Duran well enough to be confident of anything. I think we've figured out that a city manager who communicates with certain councilmembers, but not with the community, can do a lot of harm. A bit more, a LOT more, communication from the city manager, could alleviate our concerns. Or confirm them.
Susan D.Keeffe
3:44 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
@ Sarah,
Thanks! I have been attending Waterfront meetings since 2006 and I always hope it goes well! This will affect everyone who lives in Hercules who is a property owner so everyone should hope the same!!!
Toni Leance
3:47 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
to me now it is all a mute point. the Safeway/ gas emporium is in contract done deal lets just let the planning commision chose the colors and trim. Sycamore North, now all apartments with very little parking done deal let the planning commision chose the colors. Parcel C and Victoria will go into contract very soon and to apartment builders let the planning commision chose the colors and trim and argue over if it has enough embellishment. Waterfront will also be apartments and maybe a train platform at some date with maybe two blocks of neighborhood retail that is our downtown. It is all a done deal why even discuss anymore. I am deeply dissapointed in majority of council and their lack of vision and turning over their power to Duran. I think we will be talking about Duran like Olivia very soon only for other reasons such as lack of vision, mundane development, lost opportunities and bad real estate deals where the city is giving away too much for little in return.
Myrna has tried to bring up good points but just gets beat down by Mayor and Duran.
Glenn Abraham
4:00 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Sycamore @ San Pablo is the physical heart of Hercules, it is our Place de la Concorde. But instead of erecting an Obélisque de Luxor at our heart, our council and city manager have chosen to erect a Warehouse des Groceries, avec gas et rental apartments et gas encore. Hercules will be a nice place to fill a gas tank or a refrigerator, but not much more. What could have been a unique town with a unique character will be just another faceless Shoppington. I don't think we'll have to worry about being overrun with tourists. People with errand lists, sure. Council actions taken behind closed doors, without consideration of what the people want, can kinda wreck the place.
This thread has had 180 posts already. That may be a record. This seems to be important to the community, enough so that the council should consider listening to us, and doing so BEFORE acting, and setting their actions in concrete.
Susan D.Keeffe
4:09 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Glenn,
I agree. And I keep looking at Pinole. When folks drive through downtown old Pinole, its charming and quaint. They will then drive over the hill and all that will be gone. The location of the gas station is very disturbing. Safeway is capable of doing a nice upscale store and goodness knows we actually need that, but why would anyone want to come to Hercules to all those rentals? What is the draw to get them here if we do not have the Waterfront and a nice downtown? We will be a spot on the highway with a big neon sign, apparently, and a place to gas up instead of a destination. If the lower portion of SN is not retail, they should at least give the building amenities for the tenants such as a meeting room and exercise room, possibly a cafe and convenience store. I fear the rush to keep us out of bankruptcy may have resulted in not taking the time to vet things out. Sometimes it pays to"go slow to go fast".
Glenn Abraham
5:01 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Sue, Pinole's downtown also makes Pinole a nice place to LIVE. I don't really care if people from elsewhere like our town or not, visit it or not. I care about not having to live at Safeway.
Susan D.Keeffe
4:23 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
@Michael,
Actually, the special election in which the newest three Council members were elected was in June, 2011. Perhaps it just seems longer. We will all have another chance to vote in less than a year, however,and those who care enough, should vote. The lawyer issue you spoke about is not as you have stated. The issue had nothing to do with Patrick. Last year a private citizen communicated with Cabral extensively and Cabral billed the city. That was inappropriate on many counts. The City Attorney represents the Council, not the City as you might think. His clients are the council members and City Manager. Citizens who have issues should attend Council meetings and present their questions and concerns there rather than involving the City Attorney. Our public funds are so scarce, no single citizen should be the cause of extra bills. In this case, Dan was correct. He was also correct regarding the insurance issue. I have been impressed with his insistence that staff come to Council meetings prepared or they may not get the vote they seek on that particular evening. His insistence on complete reports is to be commended. He also is responsible for discovering Hercules is not getting the same percentage of tax dollars our neighboring cities receive and he is working hard to rectify that. It is easy for us to criticize, but our criticism should be tempered by the facts.
michael cutler
5:09 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Susan,
Lamenting about Hercules not getting the same percentage of tax dollars like neighboring cities has been said publicly by Balico, Evans-Young and other councilman way before you discovered Romero saying this. I think even Delgado mentioned this early last year (you know them all- ask Delgado) even before Romero became councilmember.
Susan D.Keeffe
5:19 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
@ Michael,
Thanks! I didn't know that. But Dan did find it out months ago as well. As far as I know, he has been attending Council meetings for years, not months. In any case, lamenting and trying to do something about it are two different things. Our old Council lamented, reminisced, waxed poetic, and said "aye" to everything. Times have changed! Dan has been speaking to our state legislatures about this and is not going to let it go - of this I'm sure! I'm also confident he will be joined in this effort by all the Council members and by Duran who has gone with him to Sacramento already on this very issue. It would mean a lot to Hercules to get those tax dollars and we really need them.
Selina Williams
4:44 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Anyone that wants to see the new Life style Safeway with 16 pumps should visit the new store in "life style" store in Pleasant Hill, near JC Penny's.
Glenn Abraham
5:16 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Selina, I don't know if you're saying that a "Lifestyle Safeway" is a good thing or not, but it (and its parking lot and its field of gas pumps) is NOT a good thing to put at the heart of our town. Stick it out on Parcel C. People can still get their broccoli and Doritos, without all of us having to endure the destruction of Hercules' character and traffic patterns.
Of course, as Toni has made clear several times, this is a done deal and we're stuck with it. Too late for Parcel C. And that's why the council should have told us what they wanted to do before they did it. "You're gonna get a jumbo Safeway with a field of gas pumps and a field of parked cars, and you're gonna like it": this is not my idea of democracy.
joseph Guadagne
4:58 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Why has Michael's post been deleted?
Seems I have a new nickname: the hatchetman! has a nice ring to it. How did you know I'm a Sicilian, Michael? As Susan said, don't let the facts get in the way of your tirade! More sour grapes? I think so!
joseph Guadagne
4:59 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Ah ah! I found it! Thanks Susan
Susan D.Keeffe
5:11 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
@Glenn,
If Duran can get the Waterfront kick-started, finally, with a settlement agreement, that is success for the entire city. IF the Council can please work together to ensure the Safeway deal is done in a way that makes sense, with NO gas station, I think that is success although personally, I would prefer it to be located on Parcel C. IF the Council can get SN sold, finished, and the new owner does NOT turn it into a ghetto, that's success. Bottom line, actually, is its the CM that does all that, not the council. The council has to approve/disapprove and provide oversight. And its the public's responsibility, ours, to make sure our representatives represent what we would like to see. We live here. Once things are built, its too late to complain. And Safeway is not a done deal if the Deed Restriction can't be lifted. This will be a good time to find out if our Planning Commission has any teeth! In the meantime, I will keep trudging to City Hall to plead for transparency, including the public in its decisions, respecting us and our right to speak, and hopefully listening and taking our concerns seriously enough to alter decisions.
Toni Leance
7:54 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
the CM is to implement the will of the council not create the vision for the town the way Duran is doing. The council should be telling the CM what is the highest and best use for all city property and should be getting community input prior to setting the vision. None of that has occured. As far as the planning commission Duran is already lobbying for like minded individuals that appear to share his view he asked Jeff W to apply now that Jeff is for a consultant to ask us to raise our taxes and for apartments on parcel C and Victoria, Duran thinks he has an alli. He is trying to stack the deck, though the planning commission has never taken a stance against the city council since they are appointed by the council and serve at their pleasure.
So don't think the planning commision will be able to "fix" the plans they will be able to choose the colors and dodads on the buliding and maybe add trees or berms but not the fact that it is a 65,000 sq ft store or a multitude of apartments that he keeps refering to as multifamily just like they call taxes revenue enhancement. Multifamily means apartments not for sale units.
Susan D.Keeffe
5:26 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
@ Glenn,
That's funny! I just imagined you moving into Safeway - bike and all! How that intersection looks is really important. This whole Safeway thing is going to take years and it has to get past the Deed Restriction,an EIR, community meetings and Planning Commission. Nothing is a done deal until its a done deal. I'm with Yogi Beara (sp?) - "...it aint over till its over...".
Sarah Creeley
8:12 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Everyone said Franklin Canyon was a "done deal" also, but it wasn't.
I'm not sure that it is too late, at this point. Selena is definitely right,
there is a lot I don't know about the waterfront, and other developments
in Hercules, but it is clear, reading this, that many residents do have
the desire to be heard. I think Susan is right. Keep speaking your truth.
At City Council meetings, at Planning Commission meetings to state your
cases and how the Safeway/ Gas station will impact your life. An EIR
should be done.
Dan Romero was definitely an active member of our group, Friends of
Franklin Canyon. I think we started in 2000, and I think that this was a revisiting of an issue of opening Coronado to Highway 4 and developing FC that had been stopped years before. Steve Kirby is the most knowledgeable person on this, I
think.
@Giorgio, I have a problem with your posts that judge our City Manager because he
caused "controversy" . It seems to me that you are working to create more drama instead of understanding. Your posts I referred to have vanished, but I agree, you have a right to your speech, as I do. Sorry to you, Giorgio, for being a jerk in the way I communicated to you.
Glenn Abraham
4:11 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Hi, Sarah. Two comments:
-Dan joined us in Friends of Franklin Canyon in 2003. It was not about opening Coronado to Highway 4; it was exclusively about the Valstad Council's planned hyper-development in Franklin Canyon.
-You were not a jerk in any of your communications to anyone, and you have nothing to apologize for. Thus far, you have been the Patch poster who is most consistently nice and open-minded. Much more so than I.
Susan D.Keeffe
5:32 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
If we hit 200 comments do we get a prize?
Glenn Abraham
5:35 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Sue, a couple of points:
-if the Waterfront ever happens, it will be a success for the people who live in that neighborhood, not "for the entire city". The planned Waterfront is off at the edge of town. The true center of Hercules will be mild cheddar and Ben & Jerry's, vast fields of asphalt with a forest of gasoline pumps and convenient parking for s.u.v.'s., and a hideous traffic mess which we will have to endure every single day until forever;
-as for it being our responsibility to ensure that "our representatives represent what we would like to see", that won't be easy if the council and city manager continue to concoct projects in secret and then pop them on us as faits accomplis.
The preservation of participatory democracy is more important than the avoidance of bankrupty. Really.
Susan D.Keeffe
5:50 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Glenn,
Oh great! This blog will never end. I totally disagree with you and am surprised by your inability to see the Waterfront will not only benefit the region, but it will benefit you specifically in that your own property value will improve. AND, if they don't trash the down-town/center, our values will increase at least in par with our neighbors. So you have now opened a whole new discussion! Perhaps Laila could find a related topic where we could start fresh? Wading through over 200 posts to find responses is getting annoying! You and I can argue over the Waterfront elsewhere and even if you disagree, that's OK, you will still benefit.
Glenn Abraham
6:01 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Sue: I'm not saying that the Waterfront project is unimportant; I AM saying that it will have much less day-to-day impact on the great majority of Herculeans than will this Safeway/Gasway dagger struck straight into the very heart of the town, something which almost all of us will have to deal with almost every day. And, to the extent that the city builds up the Safeway project as the center of town, to that extent will the Waterfront project be marginalized. A major shopping district at Sycamore and San Pablo is not a complement to the Waterfront; it is an alternative. And if I'm wrong about Safeway City being a negative for the Waterfront, the Safeway project still sucks.
joseph Guadagne
5:38 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Michael; You say Dan appears to be angry all the time, I say he is passionate when it comes to this city which he loves. Why else would he suffer all the verbal abuse.
Only after I'm sure you've drank the kool-aid, can you see the "curriculum vitae".
You place too much power on my views! I'm just a citizen with an opinion, just like you. :)
P.S. I do have some additional conspiracy theories I'd like to pass by you.Maybe over a cup o joe?
michael cutler
5:44 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
You sir, are a charmer. I like your passion more than Da-mayor.
Selina Williams
5:42 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Those of us that live in Bayside and walk the marsh/road to nowhere on a daily basis do not see parcel c as a big box or Safeway alternative location. That is at the end of my block. I personally do not want it there, next to what should be parkland and running trails next to the creek. It is still directly adjacent to Bayside. WE do not want Safeway/Gas land by the bay. We want peace and quiet. I personally would support housing there, but not high density since Andersen already has that in his plan. Townhouses would be great, like those on railroad with small shops and cafes with out door seating taking advantage of the views. But now I'm dreaming again.
Susan D.Keeffe
6:09 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
Glenn,
Do you have any idea of what it is like to scroll through over 200 blogs to get to you? I'm.not sure if the original City Plan meant to take away from the Waterfront but New Urbanism's intent is to get us out of our cars. And I know you aren't thrilled with Le Lucky's!
I'm outta here.
G.C.
8:08 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012
"I do not have to, and will not, defend my
decisions or my processes for hiring the best people I can." Sincerely, Steve Duran.
Ok, I do not have to, and will not, defend my protests against your actions, Steve. We're even? Cool.
G.C.
10:18 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Toni,
Who is Jeff Wisniewski? Just an average citizen or has he previously served in some capacity with our city government? Was he on the Planning Commission? I also see he has a blog and speaks at meetings, but other than that, I know nothing about him. Thanks for any clarification you can provide.
Phil Simmons
10:44 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012
G.C.,
Jeff has been very involved for quite a few years. What you have seen at meetings is Jeff. He did serve on the library commission but not the planning commission. Jeff was involved in several ways in the Waterfront Initiative and the recall. His blog has been one of the more influential means of public communications that Hercules has. Here it is.
http://www.waterfrontwatch.org/
As long as you are wanting this information I would like to ask the same of you. Have you served on any Hercules commissions. Have you ever attended or made comment at any council meetings or other Town Hall, planning, or ad hoc committee meetings? Not that you need or have to but as a matter of record for those follow the various blogs here on the Patch.
G.C.
11:38 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Phil,
You can see why I would never be appointed to any commissions. My style rubs many-most the wrong way. I accept this and am ok with it. You are both appointable and electable (hint hint).
G.C.
11:54 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012
I did attend a Finance Ad hoc meeting. It was John D.s birthday, so we had cake. My name should be on the sign-in form.
G.C.
11:24 am on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Most of my interest has been education. I am looking at running for a spot on the WCCUSD school board this year, so I attend relevant meetings.
What I witnessed where I taught was nothing less than criminal. I do not stand a prayer of getting elected, but I will deliver my ideas, backed by experience and observations.
I took an additional interest in city governance with respect to the Carson St. slide matter, but cannot say more about this matter at this current time.
I have a 3 year old that prevents me from attending most meetings, but that does not deter me from getting involved. For example, if you followed last year's discussion on outsourcing the after-school childcare program, you will see that it was me who (from my home), requested we (parents, city council, etc.) review the City's Request for Proposal document to ensure that parents would continue to get the clearly defined deliverables as stated in the Scope of Work document that they have come to expect.
This RFP document was then published on the Patch, and used by all stakeholders. We staved off outsourcing for another year. Thanks to the internet, even volunteers can telecommute.
I also took the time to report Mr. Boulanger to the state authorities.
At the recent WCCUSD safety meeting, I spoke so frequently, resulting in one attendee to comment "Oh no, he still has more to say." Always do.
Phil Simmons
1:21 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012
G.C.
Thank you for that. I fully respect your "limited" anonymity here, though of course we do all know you by name. One day I would like to engage you in a discussion about California school systems, but not on the Patch. I have some opinions (of course) and believe we could have a pretty healthy debate unless of course we found ourselves agreeing on it all.
G.C.
7:00 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Phil,
I'm with you on centralization of school districts. This will force the issue of standardization and consistency with respect to funding, etc.
Regarding my limited anonymity, sometime ago, I had posted a comment about my own whistle blowing experiences, but did not mention my employer. A Patch commenter said they knew someone at my place of work disagreed with my efforts and that I should be careful, and sure enough, soon after that, I was in a heap of trouble at work. Coincidence?
I also posted some comments in a discussion about school safety on the El Cerrito Patch on an editorial about school safety. I was sharing some examples that I didn't want to get traced back to the Principal who was in charge when I was teaching.
While teaching, I had tried to alert staff about a student who I thought was very violent-dangerous and it was brushed off and he is now in jail for murdering two (one 16 year old honor student) and seriously hurting another with a gunshot to the head.
I wanted to share these safety examples without placing current individuals in our district in an awkward situation of having to explain what in the he_l was going on at that school at that time.
If I do run for school board, I might have to decide to spare no feelings or reputations when I share these examples during my campaign.
G.C.
5:00 pm on Saturday, February 25, 2012
Councilman Boulanger,
I am inclined to ask you to step down.
I gave you a chance for one reason only, that being the impassioned plea from Mr. Guadagne during a city council meeting. His words told me I needed to do better as a human being, that I needed to forgive you and give you a second chance.
This past week, a sensitive matter was brought to my attention by another council member. I contacted the city council, sharing with them my thoughts and concerns. I received a reply from 2 members, including you, who attempted to explain to me that what had transpired was fair and just, within the realm of protocol.
The problem was I couldn't get past the election campaign dishonesty. And the other council member appeared prejudiced.
You said you have 3 degrees when you have none. It is ok to have no degrees. I struggled for 10 years for my one degree, fighting many obstacles in the process, so I was pretty sensitive to your embellishments.
I do not doubt that you are a decent human. You take the time to get involved as evidenced by your previous participation in the Hercules's attempt to secede from the WCCUSD. You even take the time to contact citizens like me. But when the chips are down, the trust just isn't there.
I need to trust our city council 100%. I hope you understand.
Douglas Bright
7:50 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012
I moved to the Bayside neighborhood of Hercules partly on the commitment of future development around my new home that includes Sycamore North, Sycamore Crossing, and Parcel C. The development plans for these areas appealed to me because they departed from the traditional development models of big box stores, strip malls, and roadside shopping centers, all serviced by large asphalt wastelands (i.e. parking lots). Those kinds of development models appeal to residents who do not wish to be part of a vibrant, walkable downtown area. Those residents prefer to drive to wherever they shop and work, with little interest interacting with or appreciating the aesthetic or design values of their community and its built environment. However, the residents of Bayside (and the other neighborhoods further west) moved here with the intention of belonging to a community that returned to a more diverse, dense, and sustainable development model – one that emphasizes pedestrian circulation over automobile circulation, piazzas over parking lots, human-scale storefronts over big-box megastores, and attention to architectural refinement over banal aesthetics. This commitment has been repeatedly questioned and tested over the past decade by individuals in the community and government, but the will of these neighborhood residents (and a majority of the city at large) has remained firm.
Douglas Bright
7:51 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012
The charrettes that have taken place over the years and the backlash to the Wal-Mart, Bridge Housing, and Szabo plans should provide ample instruction to the city about what the citizens of Hercules expect. These expectations are embodied in the heretofore adopted development plans for these and other areas west of San Pablo Avenue and represent a city-wide desire to have new urbanist principles embraced by our community.
The recent revelations that there will no longer be any retail component to Sycamore North; that Sycamore Crossing will no longer be a diverse mixture of residences and moderate size businesses; and that Parcel C will be given up to yet more residences with no retail component is troubling. This would mean a betrayal of the will of the people as expressed firmly and repeatedly over the years.
The lack of transparency in how alternatives are being considered and decisions are being made for these parcels have only served to endanger the future prospects of any progress in developing these areas, and have called into question the legitimacy of the Council’s conclusions. They take great risks of wasting the public’s time and money by negotiating, discussing, and deciding these important questions in closed session, when it is possible that the very notion of these proposals will be rejected by the people.
I understand that the overwhelming fiscal problems facing the city subject us all to being dazzled by dollar signs paraded before us by developers.
Douglas Bright
7:51 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012
We are tempted to scramble for whatever income we can find by selling everything we have. But I would implore us to be suspicious of any information fed to us by these developers regarding projected tax revenue or the infeasibility of developing these parcels according the existing development plans. Their only real concern is squeezing maximum short-term profit from their investment. How their proposals will benefit or harm the long-term quality of life for Herculeans is not part of their calculus. Financial distress will entice us to stray from a nobler vision of what this city could be, but if we turn our backs on this vision now, we can never go back, even when the economy improves. If we can just stay the course and hold true to our vision, we will eventually get the city we deserve. It will never happen if we commit ourselves to mediocrity in times of trouble. Mediocrity is better to avoid than to outgrow. This land is our leverage to future prosperity. Don’t sell it short. If we sell out for an expedient solution that may put a few million dollars in our coffers now we will all loose so much more in community-enriching development that could have been, but never will be. Doing so would be squandering this investment and condemning the citizens of Hercules to obscurity far into the future.
Douglas Bright
7:52 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012
I urge the council to:
• Be transparent in your decision making process, allowing ample input from the public in the earliest stages of any deviation from the previously approved development and design plans.
• Adhere to the spirit of the adopted development plans which emphasize design along new urbanist principles that are human scale, pedestrian-oriented, and architecturally compatible with the adjacent neighborhoods.
• Do not sacrifice our long term goals for short term financial gains. To do otherwise is a Faustian bargain that we will all live to regret.
Susan D.Keeffe
9:54 am on Tuesday, February 28, 2012
Douglas,
Well done. Can you restate your comments in Hector's new Letter to the Editor, this blog is a few days old and over long now and I think your comments are too good to be missed! Thanks!
G.C.
8:05 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012
Maybe former Mayor Joanne Ward was right, "right" being consistent with Mr. Bright's analysis. I believe Mrs. Ward said we should put the brakes on these projects until we could do them right. But we really do not have this option, do we?
Jerrold "Jerry" Parsons
8:51 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012
GC why stop progress? Be involved and voice your opinion on what you feel is right for the community as a whole and not as an individual and I think moving forward collaboratively will get excellent results all around. Just my take and hope to hear from you some day via my personal e-mail.
jerryp1969@yahoo.com
G.C.
9:18 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012
On such matters, I express my ideas as an individual, but always in the context of progress-advancement for the community as a whole. It is the comments-thoughts of the community that has lead me contribute to this collective dialogue.
I am not advocating stopping progress, quite the contrary. I am advocating stopping potentially irreversible harm to our community if such is a possibility.
What I am hearing from commenters are observations that imply that decisions are being made today based on what monies we have today and our current fiscal crisis of today, that as commenters have pointed out, could sell out our long term permanent plan for our city. What they are describing does not sound like "progress", but instead, a detour with irreversible consequences.
If the choice is "sell out our dream today" vs "finish the dream-plan tomorrow", I opt for the latter.
Your comment makes me think I have misinterpreted what has been communicated by some, or that their concerns are not valid, thus my concerns are not warranted. I am comforted if that is the case.
Jerrold "Jerry" Parsons
9:55 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012
GC: I would like to have a positive offline conversation with you and express some ideas on the forward movement versus a nay sayer stall.
510-703-9862 cell
jerryp1969@yahoo.com
G.C.
10:22 am on Sunday, March 4, 2012
Jerry,
If my caution is deemed "nay sayer" status and you believe needs to be corrected, please share your thoughts here. This should be a discussion for the community, not individuals, yes? My thoughts on this have been positive all along. For me, averting irreversible harm to our community is very positive.
If my concerns (or those of others here) are not valid-warranted, then please set us straight. I have no ego here and welcome the learning process that we are all part of as a community.
Thanks!
Jeffrey Boore
9:00 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
@G.C. - Joanne Ward's fault was putting the brakes on the wrong projects. She spent years putting the brakes on all waterfront development, the one project that nearly all Herculeans wanted, and the one project that would have brought financial security to this town. Meanwhile, she accelerated all of the projects that have been disasters for us.
Carol
8:58 am on Friday, March 16, 2012
Billy - Dan Romero SHOULD have removed himself from any vote regarding your subdivision, just as Bill Wilkins and Gerard Boulanger did in their subdivisions. I see you are not talking about them. That is very interesting. Feel free to rant as much as you want - no one is taking away your right to free speech. Just because you can say something, doesnt mean you should. No one is unsympathetic to your plight, but I do not understand what you really think is going to happen. I have asked you many pointed questions, all of which you have ignored. You just show up and start saying the same thing over and over and hoping for a different outcome.
Billy Vogele
2:54 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Carol: You know, I can read without glasses so you don't have CAPITALIZE it. Who's the ranter here?
OK. Let's accept your argument that Dan should remove himself, as well as any other council member, from the concerns of their HOA neighbors with respect to issues within those HOA's, wherein they all reside. As a voting Hercules citizen, I, as well as 290 minus 5 RHHA households, have a right to remove our votes for any city council candidate who we know won't be able to represent our interests in our little corner of God's Green Acres. Fair enough?
Dan stated to the West County Times on June 4th, '11 when running for council that he was our HOA's vice President before. Why would Dan put this connection to us in his resume as if it was a big plus as candidate Romero, when as it turns out that as councilman Romero he must disconnect himself from the affairs of our HOA? Makes me feel cheated.
Is this HOA recusal rule in the city playbook, or was it just pulled out of somebody's magic hat?
We brought up this problem at past city council meetings long before there was a Patch; many years ago at the very beginning of the problem. I didn't just show up on the scene last year when mudslides & flooding threatened my property.
I think that you understand what I think is going to happen. I think that the city is going to enforce it's nuisance ordinance to ensure that this HOA does what's right by the homeowners here on Carson. It's all I've been asking.
Carol
6:57 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Billy - you were on the board that signed the agreement with the developer to take over the land, not be able to sue them, in return for $$, I have not yet been able to find out how much $$, and now you are crying foul? I bet you wish you knew what you were getting into. I do not believe that Mr. Romero was on that council. As I have not yet discovered that. I have the names of the board members at the time - and it was you, not him. I bet you wish now that you were not on that board, and never agreed to that. His recusal is an absolute must!
Let the city try to force whatever they want. It is not the City of Hercules problem. And, if they did do something sinister, why has that not come out yet? If you have information - bring it out. I have been on two different boards in So Cal, and I am telling you it wont work. The city does not own the land, your HOA does. Your HOA does not own those properties, private citizens do. They are the ones responsible for their property. I am quite certain your HOA does not have the money to fix the hill, and there is not a judge in the county that would force your HOA to fix a hill for more than it costs to buy out the homeowners in the way. I do truly hope that your home is spared, but you are going about this the wrong way.
Billy Vogele
9:55 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Carol: So "Let the city try and force whatever they want." That's arrogant. You're talking like this city is separate from its citizens.
Again, where is it written in the city rules that HOA recusal by city council members is "an absolute must!" Please answer.
I do know of one thing that is written though; please read carefully:
Sec. 4-10.04 Nuisance Conditions.
It is declared a public nuisance for any person owning, leasing, occupying or having charge of any premises in this City to maintain such premises in such manner that any one or more of the following conditions or activities are found to exist:
(a) Land, the topography, geology or configuration of which, whether in natural state or as a result of grading operations, excavation or fill, causes erosion, subsidence, or surface water drainage problems of such magnitude as to be injurious or potentially injurious to the public health, safety and welfare or to adjacent properties;
You say "The city does not own the land, your HOA does." That's right. We all know who owns the land. Since you've got the inside dope tell me, why isn't the city enforcing its nuisance ordinance?
You keep repeating that you were on 2 different HOA boards in So Cal. Really? From which boards in So Cal did you get all this wisdom to give me 20-20 hindsight and predict the future? Please share your experiences so that I may go the right way like you have.
Carol
11:08 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Billy..,,,
a. - "a must" is conflict of interest,
b. I have no idea why except for the fact that the city cannot enforce an ordinance on your HOA only the individual homeowners. Why are they not doing? Because that is where they need to start. Not with your HOA.
c. Why does where I served even matter - am what I saying untrue? You still have not addressed my question. This is your MO Billy, not mine. I never predicted the future except for what I know to be evident from MY (yes sorry if you do not need glasses) past and you are wrong. I do not live in your development, I do not have to pay one way or the other, I wish you no ill, but you are going down the wrong path . You want the right way? I am sorry, but in my humble, yet non-expert opinoin - you have none. Sorry but - unless you can prove the city is at fault, which I am asking you to do if you can, then where have you to turn? Your HOA - and I am fairly certain you cannot do anything until you have damage. Although that is unfortunate, that is the reality , correct. You paint me as your enemy, but I am not. I did not create any of this. I am telling you what I see from the outside, and whether you believe it or not, it may be helpful to you in the future.
Carol
11:09 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012
continued
You want the city to enforce something on the wrong entity. Move towards the individuals who own the property. Please answer one question for me - How do you think your HOA can pay for the issues at hand now - be it your home, the hill, or the other homeowners? Until you can answer that, stop trying to be a bully.
Sarah Creeley
9:02 am on Sunday, March 25, 2012
Hi, Carol, I don't understand why you are calling Billy a bully. He is speaking up for the need of enforcement of a safety ordinance vilolation. You are free to disagree with him. I understand your point about the HOA, but I agree with Billy, and I don't think it is right for you to call him a "bully" just because you disagree. He is fighting for his family home.
Billy Vogele
3:27 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Carol: I didn't call you names so don't call me names. Don't get mad because I disagree with you and resort to calling me a bully. That's not productive. Again, your statement, "Let the city try and force whatever they want." is arrogant. Do you think that this city is in the business of serving themselves? If that's what they think then that is arrogant thinking. A city serves it's citizens, and the last time I looked, HOA members in this city were citizens too. I want this city to protect me as a citizen and enforce its nuisance ordinance.
You seem to be more about making me look bad than about offering solutions.
Billy Vogele
5:08 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Carol: Why the personal attacks? For somebody who has supposedly served on "two HOA boards in So Cal," and says that they sympathize with anybody who has served on HOA boards, you sure seem hell-bent on slamming those who live in this HOA for serving in this volunteer, unpaid position, that is except for Dan who says that he served as vice-President of this HOA. That's why I question your truth and sincerity in this matter. Are you for real?
Carol
9:53 am on Sunday, March 25, 2012
Sarah - its simple he is being a bully. He calls me arrogant? Really? Look back at some of the other things he has said to me. Doesnt matter - he can call me whatever he likes. It does not bother me. No one wants to see Billy's house get damaged or demolished, but guess what - his actions years ago got him to where he is now. Why did he and the other board members at the time sign an agreement with the builder? How much did thy get for that? He wont answer those questions because he knows what he did. Granted no one could forsee the hill would slide, but sometimes in life you make decisions and do things that do not always work out the way you want.
He continues to go down the nusiance path. FIne, he wont get anywhere with that. If he really wants help, he should go to the indivduals who own those homes and go after them. They are the ones responsible for the nusiance. Those homes were sold with disclosures about the hill. I know that because my husband and I thought about buying there when some of those homes went up for sale. Who in their right mind would buy it? Well, someone did now they are stuck. You cannot continue to blame the wrong entity. If those homes had not sold, then the HOA would have no choice than to demolish the homes. Sorry - anyone who does not do their research and buys something like that - well... definition of insanity: keep doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different outcome.......
Jeffrey Boore
10:09 am on Sunday, March 25, 2012
I side with Carol on this. Billy Vogele comes to city council meetings and has posted on the Patch on many different threads. Every time it is the same pattern - He attempts to obfuscate the situation, to deflect rightful blame and responsibility, to demand that the public pay for the cost of damage that is clearly the responsibility of a private landowner. Then the conversation takes a bad turn for him as people start pointing out the truth, and he becomes belligerent and insulting and lashes out at anyone who dares state the truth and undermine his fiction. He refuses to answer any questions that are respectfully put to him because the answers do not comport with the story he desperately needs for us to accept. A bully is a tame characterization of his behavior, and we have been through many tiresome cycles of it.
Billy Vogele
4:23 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Jeffrey: Your comments are cold and uncaring. If you don't like my "tiresome cycles," then tune out and tune in to something more entertaining. I never in any of my posts on any threads said that the city should pay for this. Go back through it and find one. I have said that the city should help out in this matter. What does that mean? That means, that our city should help us, the citizens, by exercising their authority in this matter and enforce its nuisance ordinance. You've read the ordinance haven't you? Do you think that we can just sat back and rely on the good will of the HOA to do something about this? What do you think we have city ordinances and laws for?
The landslide did not originate on my neighbor's property, or his neighbor's property, or his neighbor's property, or his neighbor's property, or his neighbor's property. It originated on HOA property.
Jeffrey Boore
2:47 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
I have seen you retreat to this "enforcing the nuisance ordinance" position in several cycles of this topic, after the regular decrying of your other positions. But why, Mr. Vogele, will you not answer the questions put straightforwardly to you again and again? What is so hard about being honest and forthright about these issues?
Let's start here, with a question you've been asked and have refused to answer at least a dozen times here on the Patch: Mr. Vogele, were you on the HOA Board that approved the HOA accepting ownership and responsibility for this property?
Billy Vogele
5:33 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Carol is just lucky that a landslide or other catastrophic incident didn't occur in any developments of the 2 HOA boards that she said that she served on in So Cal. Or where there Carol? I don't know, its a mystery. Or that there weren't any long-standing lawsuits against the builders in those So Cal HOA's were she served, which were settled before there were signs of any landslides. Or were there any? Again, since Carol is unwilling to share, we don't have a clue.
Nobody has the ability to predict the future, right Carol? It could have happened to you, or to anybody who put their personal interests aside and stepped up to serve their community in a thankless, unpaid, volunteer position like you did.
G.C.
7:04 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Billy,
Hire a lawyer! We'll see what the state agency has to say about this, too. But forget about getting sympathy from the citizens. If the Mayor has been lobbying against you, then you are outnumbered. I got your back, Billy, but I am only one. You can't trust the rest of the city council, either, Billy. They are protecting a very limited amount of money to be used for other matters, therefore they cannot advocate for you. Kind of sucks how it turned out that way, yes?
Again, you need to hire a lawyer.
G.C.
6:12 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Contrary to the belief of some, Mr. Vogele has a right to defend himself. Per the state building code, City employees were responsible for ensuring that the development was sound. If the city was negligent, then Mr. Vogele deserves to hold them accountable.
Why is it not ok for Billy to plead his case, yet it is ok for the Mayor to use his position of power to voice his opinion to the citizens? I mean really, let's be fair about this. I know I'm not the only one in Hercules who heard from the Mayor on this matter, in which the mayor shared his strong opinion. I am Joe Public, so sharing with me is the same as commenting publicly.
What I find tiresome is the defense that implies Mr. Vogele deserves what he is getting, that the City shares no responsibility.
Jeffrey Boore
10:30 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
@G.C. - If I am part of that "some", then let me point out that I did not suggest that Mr. Vogele should not be able to defend himself. What I objected to is his repetitious lying, belligerence, evasiveness, obfuscation, and unreasonable demands of the city.
And now dozens of times on multiple threads, you have used the phrase "IF the city was negligent." But there is not one shred of evidence even suggested by anyone that the city was, in fact, negligent, and so reciting that conditional phrase over and over does not imply that the city actually does have any responsibility. So far as anyone has been able to determine to date, the city has no responsibility for this whatsoever.
G.C.
10:10 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
I agree with you, Jeffrey. The negligence issue needs to be resolved one way or another instead of this useless back-and-forth discussion. It's too bad it took so long to make any progress on this matter. The good news is that a state agency is currently reviewing this matter to determine if an investigation is warranted. They might decide the evidence isn't there. Life goes on.
Ok, so some folks don't like how Billy handled things when he was on the HOA board, but for someone to say that the HOA would have helped Billy if "Billy had been nice" is a bunch of school-yard crap. Pretty harsh if you ask me.
The people who do not understand the regulatory role of the city in this matter are too lazy to learn the building codes. I don't understand why people aren't glad to learn that the city might share responsibility.
Isn't it great to learn that Billy and other Carson St. residents might still have some recourse? This is great news if you ask me! I thought everyone has been screaming for accountability with our government.
Carol
11:36 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Billy - you are right - my two associations did not have landslide issues but we had other issues. You are still pushing down the wrong path. And, guess what - you do not deserve to have your home destroyed. But - talk about sharing? You have yet to answer any questions I posed. Your HOA board (with you on it) signed away your rights to sue the builder in addition for money and taking over the land. Correct? Now you have issues? Correct? Does your HOA have the money to fix the hill? Did your HOA already try to pass a special assessment to fix the hill and it got voted down? Do you think a judge would force your HOA to fix a hill - assuming there is a fix, for more than it costs to buy out the homeowners in danger? You want to place blame on everyone but you and mother nature.
You have complained to the city about nusiance, it is not working. Go after the individuals who own the homes, not the city, not your HOA. Why can you not understand that? You played an integral part of where your HOA is at right now Billy.
G.C. - if Billy wants to file a lawsuit - he should. If he has proof of City negligence - bring it on. But he does continue to do as Jeffrey said above and it is not getting him any results.
Carol
12:27 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
and at GC - please show me where ANYONE said "Ok, so some folks don't like how Billy handled things when he was on the HOA board, but for someone to say that the HOA would have helped Billy if "Billy had been nice"" is because that is the first I have ever heard that mentioned. Billy can be as nice or mean as he wants - it does not change the facts. How would him being nice or mean change any of that????
The HOA has no gain on being mean or nice.. ReallytG.C. that is short sighted. The HOA only has limited funds. If they had all the funds in the world no one would be even talking about this.
I am neither lazy nor stupid. I understand the rules that you and Billy have pointed out numerous times. You still have no case with the city. Your case is with the individual homeowners/banks or whoever at this point owns those properties.
I know you are a vocal advocate for Billy, and I have no issue with that but when you say "Isn't it great to learn that Billy and other Carson St. residents might still have some recourse?" What are you referring to? How do you think this can be resolved and PAID for?
G.C.
6:11 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Carol,
Why don't you ask our Mayor who said the following:
"Billy knows better, he should have been nicer to the HOA board who could have helped him."
Jeffrey Boore
1:16 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
At least a dozen times on different threads here on the Patch I have seen various people ask Billy Vogele directly whether or not he was on the HOA Board that approved their accepting ownership of the hillside property. Even for that straightforward, simple question, he will never give an answer. It is that kind of bobbing and weaving that has destroyed his credibility with me, and I suspect with many others. This isn't about being nice or mean. This is about being honest and forthright.
Billy Vogele
9:32 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
Jeffery: You and Carol are way off the mark. Why ask? What various people have asked? You and Carol? Cast a pall over this argument as you and Carol may try by inferring that I have something to hide and am therefore guilty as charged, but this city does have a role to play in this matter and this role, which you've repeatedly, at least 13 times, have ignored, will be clarified in the end. Next, let's get the timeline right. First signs of the landslide occured long after the settlement was made, right? I am sure you have the answer to that; why it's common knowledge. However, I am quite sure that your gift of hindsight would indicate to you that no person in their right mind would have agreed to any settlement with the builder of any development in any HOA without any clue of future events occuring therein, right? Why your's and Carol's amazing powers of prediction just wouldn't allow this I'm sure.
Jeffrey Boore
10:19 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
You STILL will not answer the question! Why?!
Jeffrey Boore
10:22 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
I have NOT ignored the issue of the role that the city has to play in this. I have commented at great length and repeatedly on that subject.
I have not said a single word that implies that it was improper for the HOA to have entered into that particular agreement with the developer.
Carol
9:10 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
I cannot believe that you or Billy even think that their HOA board would purposely not help Billy because he was not nice. Give me a break!. That is just absolutely ridiculous. I will ask AGAIN, how can the HOA board help him right now? Why does Billy evade the questions posed to him? We all know the answer - he just doesnt want to hear it.
Billy Vogele
8:34 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
Carol: Mr. Romero gave me an unwelcome and intimidating phone call in November '11 telling me to "redact," his word, my comments on the Patch. These posted comments I've made were mere observations of his behavior noted by me in the recent past. What about it? I find this an invasion of my right to free speech and privacy. I have a witness to his unethical behavior. You haven't reacted to this. You side-stepped it by saying "just because you can say something doesn't mean you should." So just because I can exercise my right to free speech without fear of recrimination, in a public forum which is critical of a city official, doesn't mean I should? What? What would you do if your privacy and right to free speech were invaded like this?
G.C.
9:04 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
I respect Billy for speaking openly and publicly, even at risk of being charged with slander. He is not a sneak.
Jeffrey Boore
9:11 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
He speaks openly and publicly, but he keeps refusing to be honest and straightforward about anything. He STILL will not answer my simple question about whether he was on the HOA Board at the time this deal was made. This question has been asked at least a dozen times here on the Patch. He has shown himself to be untrustworthy over and over again, so his public words carry no weight with me.
Carol
1:49 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Jeffrey - give it up - Billy will never answer any questions.
Billy Vogele
8:51 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
Carol/Jeffery: Dan Romero was Vice President on the Refugio Valley HOA Board of Directors. Now, let us review. It is an undeniable fact that the settlement with the builders occured before, I repeat, before any signs of a landslide. What would it matter then if I, Dan Romero, or anybody, including Joe Shagnasty, were on the Refugio Valley HOA board when the "deal" was made? What is your point? Do you think that I, who had most to lose in this matter, would've agreed to any settlement if I knew what was coming? Wow, I wish I had your crystal ball. Now I think that your comments thus far are mean-spirited and I totally disagree with them, but answer my question. What if I invaded your right to privacy and free speech and called your house as Dan has called mine and told you to "redact" what you have said? Huh? Come on Carol.
Jeffrey Boore
9:23 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
@Billy Vogele - It does NOT matter to me whether or not you were on the HOA Board. It matters to me that you have refused to answer that question several dozen times. That, and your many similarly shady half-truths call into question whether you are capable of an honest, forthright discussion about these important matters, and have greatly reduced my trust in your words and sympathy for your plight. I suspect I am not alone in these judgments.
As for Dan Romero's alleged actions, I don't have any knowledge of this or any opinion on the matter.
Billy Vogele
10:01 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
Jeffery: Sounds to me like it matters to you; why you seem to hinge entirely my creditability on it at least a dozen times over. So I am making this all up? So says you.
It is common knowledge that the settlement occured before, and I repeat before, any signs of the landslide occured. You don't believe me? I take it that you are a very skeptical, suspicious, and scrutinizing person, and it probably wouldn't matter to you anyway if you got the answer to the riddle, jeez, that you seek. So if you care enough, go to the public records and see for yourself when the settlement was made, who approved it, and when the landslide occured.
Jeffrey Boore
10:57 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
What are you talking about? When have I ever said that I don't believe you that the settlement occurred before the landslide? That seems to be common knowledge. I have never made any remark of any kind about that subject!
Your credibility does not hinge on this issue at all. It hinges on the duplicitous, underhanded, sneaky way that you behave here and otherwise when addressing these issues. This ridiculous deflection to an unrelated issue is yet another chapter in that.
Phil Simmons
11:16 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
http://youtu.be/HeAV1YgmTZk
Phil Simmons
11:17 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
http://youtu.be/_NupFxZVHpA
Phil Simmons
11:24 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
http://youtu.be/IQZ-Roww_ZY
G.C.
7:55 am on Saturday, April 21, 2012
Ooh! ooh! (in my Arnold Horshack voice)
Speaking of credibility and underhandedness and sneakiness, what "web of deceit" was spun on September 20th, 2011, on the following Patch thread?
http://hercules.patch.com/articles/letter-to-the-editor-carson-street-landslide-forces-home-demolition
Billy Vogele
8:23 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
Jeffery: What is your point? What is "duplicitous, underhanded, sneaky" about it? The problem of this landslide is real and it is growing; who can make that up? Look, I am not going to jump around and do tricks like a circus poodle for you or for "Carol." I want our city to take a hard, honest, look at this problem and not ignore our plight. They have a role in this matter and I want the the city council, including the mayor, city manager, city attorney, chief building inspector, and assorted other city hall players to step up to the plate and run to the bases, not from them.
I have tried to initiate a dialog between the city manager, attorney, and chief building inspector and our HOA. As far as I've witnessed, unfortunately, the city manager and attorney have made no more than a token effort and granted me, like genie, my one and only wish of a meeting with them, and that is only because Myrna, who was mayor back in September/October, facilitated it.
Jeffrey Boore
8:49 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
@Billy Vogele - I have never said that the landslide isn't real. This is just one more of your deflections from the real issue. My point, made repeatedly, is that your behavior is what is "duplicitous, underhanded, and sneaky." Your consistent pattern of half-truths and dodging reasonable questions lowers your credibility with the community. I don't know how to say it more plainly than that. Stop dodging the truth and speak out honestly about what is going on and you will get more empathy.
The city has not ignored your plight. They have investigated it, studied the issue at taxpayers' expense, and made recommendations about how to engineer a solution. The landowner has refused to take those recommendations and now resents that it is on the hook for the resulting landslide. The city has fulfilled its role, and more, and ruled that it is solely the responsibility of the private landowner to fix this problem or pay for the damages.
The city is not ignoring this. You have asked them to take action, and the answer is "no", because the taxpayers are not responsible for this landslide on property that is privately owned. You don't like their answer, so you keep asking the same question over and over, each time with the same indignation, and each time shaded by the same set of half-truths.
Billy Vogele
2:24 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012
Jeffery: Basically, you are calling me a liar and I take offense to that. So finally, you are admitting that the city does have a role; great, that's a start. However, you are wrong to say that they've fulfilled it. There are red-tags which are over a year old on three wrecked homes next to mine. Who did that? The HOA? No, the city put them there. And the city, not the HOA, has the authority to demolish these unsafe homes too which they have not yet done. They told me that they had the money budgeted to raze at least two of them but have renegged on that. The city has nuisance ordinances which they wrote but refuse to enforce. Ask your inside source (talk about "duplicitous, underhanded, and sneaky") the real reason why the city refuses to enforce the nuisance ordinance.
As I've stated to you at least a baker's-dozen times, HOA members are tax-paying, voting citizens too, and not some "subset" of citizens as you have stated.
It's my tax money too, and I, as well as you, should expect service from this city. This city does not operate on a higher plane that its citizens; we've all seen the results of that mindset. City Hall is suppose to be working for us. Again, that very same tax money which I am paying too is going out to pay for the mistakes of this city's various boondoggles (see yesterday's West County Times headlines).
Jeffrey Boore
3:13 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012
@Billy Vogele - Yes, of course I am calling you a liar. I don't know how to say that more plainly than I have. You can easily avoid feeling offended. Stop lying.
I am not "finally" stating that the city has a role in this, and it is not an "admission." I have said so repeatedly in our many discussions about this, and in great detail.
I accept that you may have a point about the city moving more quickly to demolish those red tagged homes, although I do not know what the considerations there are. Regarding the "nuisance laws", I have commented extensively on that on other threads here on the Patch in which you have participated.
I do not have any "inside source" for information about this. I cannot imagine why you would think so or what motivates you to make an accusation against me that such a nonexistent relationship would make me "duplicitous, underhanded, and sneaky."
I have made no claim or insinuation that members of your HOA are less than full citizens. As such, you can expect to have the same services to which each of us is entitled. But you are not entitled to every service you demand on that basis. The city, for example, does not have to mow your yard, paint your house, rotate your tires, or repair your landslide.
Billy Vogele
7:35 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Jeffery: You are a liar. Since my ever serving on the Refugio Valley HOA BOD is an obsession of yours, which has blotted out all attempts to make you see reason, I’ll ask: where is it at any time that you’ve asked me if I was ever an HOA Board member? I think you’ve said that it’s been 12 times. So where is it that have you asked me this question?
You have got to be the most insensitive person I’ve ever had the misfortune to encounter on this wonderful forum. So far you’ve equated the nuisance of the landslide to a barking dog; the hazards involved in the demolition of a home which caused a 25 acre fire out here and prompted a multiple agency response, to taking a shower. Now you are equating the city’s enforcement of its nuisance ordinances, which I as a tax-paying citizen should rightly expect, in order to see to it that responsible parties bring this area out of the blight caused by a major landslide which has wrecked 5 homes, to mowing my yard, painting my house, and rotating my tires. Incredible!
Carol
8:43 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
Billy - I asked you in posts long ago if you were a board member, I asked you many questions which you refused to answer, so I understand and agree with Jeffrey - I asked them!!! Ok - lets move on - you were a board member, and you signed away rights to sue the builder, and yes, unfortunately that came with a sliding hill no one knew about right? Ok. But now you want the city to take responsibility for something that as of yet, has not been proven as "their" problem. With exception to your nuisance issue. Ok - so here are the facts as I have found and RESEARCHED them. The few remaining homes were all sold with disclosures about the hill - I KNOW THAT AS FACT because I looked at those homes with my husband when they were for sale. I refused to even take the chance. I knew that if the hill was sliding then - it was probably going to continue. We passed. Your beef is not with your HOA, ts not with your city, its with the owners of those homes. Go to them and ask them why they are not taking care of the issue. Those are the idiots that bought those homes. YES, the city is the only entity that can force them to take the homes down, but the reality is - the city needs to fork over the money to do it, and hope the homeowners pay. I bet those people are not even paying their dues. Buyer beware, but Billy - what else can you do:?
Carol
8:43 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
I guess you can ask your HOA to ask for them to fix the hill. That would require a vote, and most likely get voted down (as it did before - which I also found out when I was looking into buying there). The city has more pressing problems than your house. I do not mean that to demean you Billy, but frankly they have no money, and it is REALLY the obligation of the individual homeowners to pay that bill to demolish the homes, NOT THE CITY.....Go and talk to the people that own those houses, and complain to them!!!!
Billy Vogele
11:23 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Carol: That answer has already been given on this forum long ago, so go back and look. What do you know about who signed away what? You try and sound compassionate, while always putting the "but" in. Stop playing this red-herring-blame-game to distract from the matter of our city's responsibility to ensure the safety of its citizens. The city has a role to play in this matter without a doubt. The city red-tagged 4 homes in March 2011. The city has the power to demolish these homes, and I was told by John McGuire that the city was budgeted to do just that, which hasn't happened. Why? Again, this is a matter of SAFETY, get it? These are matters of safety which concern us, and they have priority. Crying poor is not an excuse from this city's obligations to protect its citizens posed by the presence of unsafe structures in any of its neighborhoods.
So glad for you that you didn't buy here but that was after the fact, right? Your powers of hindsight are amazing. Buyer beware? How insulting is that.
Speaking of votes? Buyer beware of politicians like Dan Romero who put HOA Vice President on their resumes, as if everybody has something to gain by electing somebody with those credentials, yet after elected recuse themselves from issues arising in these communities. Such leadership! Again, come election day, there are going to be 290 minus 5 households in this HOA wondering if their interests can be fully represented in their communities by the candidates.
G.C.
10:33 pm on Saturday, May 5, 2012
This matter is now being investigated by a state agency who has just requested records from the city. If I hear that the city is not cooperating by saying they have no such records in their possession, I will provide information that I have in my possession to the investigator supporting why such documents should still be in the possession of our city government unless they were intentionally altered or destroyed.
Billy deserves to have this matter reviewed by those tasked with the responsibility of preventing such tragic occurrences. The city plays a role in this whether they like it or not.
Joseph Catindig
7:49 am on Sunday, May 6, 2012
Dan Romero should stop giving people phone calls, especially those intimidating ones. I remember receiving a friendly phone call from him when I made a comment here in the patch that has something to do with someone he is running against. How he got a hold of my cell number, I'm not sure?
G.C.
11:16 am on Sunday, May 6, 2012
This is why I wanted the Patch to post my editorial on responsible communications regarding city council staff. There are other council members who have also crossed the line of what is proper with respect to their communications with the citizens.
Billy Vogele
10:36 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Joseph: Dan Romero has given me an intimidating "friendly" phone call too after I made a comment on the Patch. He told me to "redact" the comment which was merely my observations of him throughout this landslide ordeal. I think that this is unethical for a Council Member to do such a thing, and to hear that he's done this to others doesn't surprise me. I posed this problem to "Carol," whose views, comments, and opinions at every juncture throughout the Patch seem 110 percent supportive and parallel to Dan's (makes one wonder who Carol really is) and she has not answered what she thinks of it. As an American, I expect the right to free speech and privacy to be respected by our elected officials, which obviously it is not in this city.