Your City Council Live: Romero, Wilkins and Boulanger Sworn In
Hercules Patch provided live coverage of Tuesday's meeting.
Recall leaders Dan Romero, William Wilkins and Gerard Boulanger took office Tuesday night, replacing the council members they set out to unseat over six months ago.
“Tonight is a new beginning for Hercules,” said Romero, shortly after being sworn in as a council member. Wilkins echoed Romero's statement. “You’ve all recognized that change was needed here in Hercules…we still have distractions facing us all, but the real issues will not wait,” Wilkins said.
The new councilmen, who won their seats in the June 8 recall election, wore yellow roses signifying their affiliation with the recall effort. They received a mostly warm welcome at Tuesday’s swearing-in ceremony, except for several comments made by residents, asking Boulanger not to accept his seat on the council.
Boulanger, who received criticism from residents and the media for embellishing professional and political experience before the election, said he plans to serve out his term. "As your new council member, I will work really hard to get this city back on track,” Boulanger said shortly after being sworn in.
Former Councilman Don Kuehne, who was unseated by Boulanger, left his position with a message to Hercules residents, "Thank you for the opportunity to serve…it was a privilege and an honor to (represent) this community. I’m sorry for all the bad news coming from city hall and the negative effects it has had on (city staff and the community)…nevertheless, I am confident that Hercules…has a bright future.”
Former Mayor Joanne Ward, who was replaced by Wilkins, was not present at the meeting.
Boulanger, Wilkins and Romero will all serve out the terms of the council members they replaced. All will serve until November 2012.
Also in Tuesday's meeting, the council was restructured. Vice Mayor Myrna deVera became mayor and Councilman John Degado became vice mayor.
The council has emerged from closed session. There is no reportable action, Mayor Myrna deVera said.
THE COUNCIL HAD NO REPORTABLE ACTION FROM CLOSED SESSION
COUNCIL REORGANIZATION
Myrna deVera and John Delgado are nominated to the Mayor and Vice Mayor seats, respectively.
Councilman John Delgado nominates Myrna deVera for Hercules Mayor. Councilman Dan Romero nominates John Delgado as Vice Mayor.
COMMENTS FROM NEWLY SWORN COUNCILMEN
William Wilkins, Thanks family and those worked on the recall campaign and Wilkins’ campaign, Hercules voters and city employees. “You’ve all recognized that change was needed here in Hercules…we still have distractions facing us all but the real issues will not wait…”
Dan Romero, thanks wife Lori, Anton Jungherr and Lori Chinn and the citizens of Hercules. “Tonight is a new beginning for Hercules…” Asks that the city bring back former interim City Manager Charlie Long. Asks for city to look into conflict of interest rules and duties of the city manager to make sure there are no conflicts of interest.
Gerard Boulanger, thanks recall campaigners, his wife, City Council members John Delgado and Myrna Devera. “It’s important to recognize the extent of the current situation… As your new council member, I will work really hard to get this city back on track.”
OATH OF OFFICE
Councilmen-elect Dan Romero, Gerard Boulanger and William Wilkins are sworn in.
OUTGOING MESSAGE FROM DON KUEHNE
Councilman Kuehne, "Thank you for the opportunity to serve…it was a privilege and an honor to (represent) this community…I’m sorry for all the bad news coming from city hall and the negative effects it has had on (city staff and the community)…nevertheless, I am confident that Hercules…has a bright future.” Will remain on the Hercules Education Foundation. Thanks interim City Manager Fred Deltorchio, Finance Director Liz Warmerdam and City Clerk Doreen Mathews.
CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Adopt A Resolution Declaring Results Of The Special Election Held On June 7, 2011. ADOPTED UNANIMOUSLY
PUBLIC COMMENT
Joseph Smith, Spoke on behalf of the Senior Center. Smith is upset about the fact that Senior Center programs, hours and staff will likely be cut due to the city's budget crunch.
Sarah Creeley, "The library is the heart of our community...work together and keep our library strong."
Chris Tallerico, congratulated Dan Romero and William Wilkins on their council seats. “Mr. Boulanger, I hope you resign…" Concerned about state of the police force and budget.
Phil Simmons, “I was on the original recall campaign…the recall had nothing to do with dishonesty…It had to do with a city that was broken…under the circumstances of our…election. This recall was not for the search of the Holy Grail.”
Steve Kirby, chair of the Community and Library Services Commission, hoping to preserve library hours threatened by budget cuts.
Toni Leance, spoke about changing the affordable housing element in Sycamore North and addressed City Councilman-elect Gerard Boulanger. “Gerard, you were elected based on lies…the seat is not yours, Gerard, it’s ours…please, do yourself and Hercules a favor…step down.”
All city councilmen-elect and City Council members except for Mayor Joanne Ward are present.
Richard L.
8:58 pm on Tuesday, June 21, 2011
Huh? This recall had nothing to do with dishonesty? Really?
Lee
10:37 pm on Tuesday, June 21, 2011
Richard: Yes of course, according to Susan those well documented reasons for recall, conflict of interest, neoptism, have nothing to do with dishonesty? Susan: You must be from another planet; some dark one in an alternate universe.
Glenn Abraham
1:23 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
"This recall had nothing to do with dishonesty?" This must be how we got Balico. He could get his supporters what they wanted, so his lies were irrelevant. Now we have Boulanger, he can get the waterfront supporters what they want, and his lies are irrelevant. Not even mentioned anymore, actually.
I have no idea how we got Balico, because I got burned out on Hercules politics in 2003, when I saw the unethical conduct of Valstad & Balico & their developer pals as they tried to raze Franklin Canyon in a blaze of construction. I got burned out, stopped paying attention for 7 years, and when Charlie Long and Tom Lochner woke me up in 2010, I found that we were being run by a kleptocracy, a kleptocracy chosen and chosen again, and again, by an ignorant and/or selfish and/or stupid electorate. We were run, and run into the ground. So, we got rid of Balico. Now we've got Boulanger.
The loudest applause that I heard at yesterday's meeting was for Phil Simmon's comment about how dishonesty was never a goal, and that fixing Hercules was the only thing that mattered. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AGAINST PHIL PERSONALLY. Of all the people I've met during all these campaigns, he was the one who most impressed me (I had already known Dan before, who will always impress me.). Another parenthetical aside: (Gerard Boulanger was my second favorite. And I twice voted for kuehne. So, my choice of leaders is not totally unflawed. But, Phil rocks.)
Glenn Abraham
1:38 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Phil rocks, but he did say that honesty was never an issue in the recall and the election campaign. I had thought it was the ONLY issue. Yes, Balico and Kuehne and Ward were incompetent, but how do we know that Boulanger, even with his many postgraduated degrees in science, engineering and business adminstration, even with his many years of service on a city council serving a much bigger city than ours, how do we know that this much-experienced, overeducated person is competent? I have been told by one client of his wife's carpet-cleaning business that he does good work, but that is the sum total of what I know about the quality of his work-product.
The electorate was angry with the Valico council for its stupidity, but, as I saw it, the greatest rage was reserved for balicoliva's lies. Why were Balico's lies bad, but Boulanger's are okay? The scale of Boulanger's lies went far beyond Balico's. Yes, it appears that some of Balico's lies were used to enrich himself and his family, and that is a very bad thing. How do we know that Boulanger won't do the same? How do we know that city hall won't be getting its carpets cleaned under no-bid contracts to his wife's company? We know of no facts, at this point, which indicate he might steal; we know of no facts which indicate that he won't. What we do know is that Boulanger lies. For me, that means that anything coming out of his mouth in future is unrealiable,...
Glenn Abraham
1:52 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
...and so, he is worthless. That fact that he is a liar and schemer is all I need to know that he cannot serve in a position, like councilman, which involves trust, which involves stewardship. Why isn't this enough for you?
What dismayed me most about Phil's comment yesterday was not that he said it...he was one of the two top players in Boulanger's election (and if there was someone else of whom I am not aware, please correct me), and he has to rationalize his continuing support for Boulanger...what really dismayed me was the power of the applause which he received for saying: Honesty was not an issue in the recall. Fixing Hercules was the issue. We were not after the Holy Grail. I think that anyone would interpret those words as saying that having a lying schemer on the council is okay, ethical behavior is optional and unnecessary, so long as that lying schemer can deliver practical benefits, especially for waterfront supporters. THAT is what they were applauding: honesty, character, ethics, none of that matters; deliver the goods, and we'll overlook everything else.
This is why I am now feeling as burned out as I did in 2003. We have elected a dishonest person, but he's a useful liar, so it's cool. That doesn't say so much about Boulanger...about whom I already know more than enough...as it does about the Hercules electorate, or at least, its activists.
That electorate will get...
Glenn Abraham
2:04 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
...what it deserves. If having a dishonest person in your government is okay, you will have earned all of the Sycamore Norths and Fields of Dreams which that person can deliver. And when, in 2014, Tom Lochner writes about the horrible Champ de Rêves scandals, the insiduous insider deals involved in Marché Hall: I'll probably read the articles, but I'm pretty sure I won't join in the Recall Boulanger campaign of 2015. I've seen this movie before. I'm not blaming everyone else, and saying that I'm blameless. I bear a lot of responsibility for getting absentee voters to send in those Boulanger ballots. That may be why I feel so badly about this. But all that applause for the coronation of a scoundrel to the highest position of trust and stewardship which we can offer...APPLAUSE, for chrissake!...makes me doubt that Hercules can get it right. Must be something in the water. Or in the city hall.
Glenn Abraham
2:08 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
For the one or two masochists out there who are willing to read more of me, I'm attaching here the "comment" which I asked Doreen Mathews to deliver for me at the council's special meeting yesterday. I didn't deliver it in person because, (1) I am awful at public speaking, and (2) I couldn't be in the same room with Gerard Boulanger.
"Hercules has just endured a long ordeal in an effort to rid the city council of persons thought to be dishonest or incompetent or both, persons who had been judged to be unworthy of the community's trust. The entire intent of the recall and election process was to remove those who could not be trusted, and to replace them with people who could. The election of Myrna de Vera and John Delgado in November constituted a significant first step in the construction of an honest and competent and trustworthy council. The election of Dan Romero and Bill Wilkins on June 7 completed the triumph. The installation of Gerard Boulanger would destroy everything."
Glenn Abraham
2:09 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
"Having been cornered by the press and forced to admit some of the truth, Gerard Boulanger continued to try to wriggle out of the trap which he had set for himself. It could be argued that this prior dishonesty would have been acceptable...a specious argument, but never mind that...if he had, when caught, made a full confession and, from that moment on, conducted himself in a completely honest manner. He did neither. On June 6th, the day after parts of his true résumé were exposed in the Patch on June 5th, he sent an email to ten supporters, myself included, in which he alleged the existence of a plot by Myrna de Vera to have him resign and push for Sherry McCoy in his place. As far as I can determine, this plot did not exist. The apparent intention of Gerard Boulanger's email was to rally support for his decision not to resign; the implication was that his retention of the seat would prevent a greater evil. Thus, Mr. Boulanger established himself as, not only a liar, but also a schemer. Even later, on June 15, Gerard Boulanger denied to Myrna de Vera and John Delgado that he had ever said that Ms. de Vera had wanted Ms. McCoy to replace him. He thereby established himself as, not only a liar and schemer, but an inveterate liar and schemer, a repeat offender whose misconduct would continue. He had learned no lesson."
Glenn Abraham
2:11 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
" It was at this point that I broke irrevocably with Gerard Boulanger, and transmitted, to a number of people, the email in which he said that which he later denied having said:
"Myrna called me....
.... this afternoon asking me to resign right after the election due to the controversy around my bio. She is obviously trying to manipulate me and a few others to push for McCoy as a nominated candidate once the council will have voted the appropriate resolution we don't have yet."
Gerard Boulanger was elected by trickery. We were duped. Mr. Boulanger's lies remained hidden until after the submission of sufficient absentee ballots to ensure his election. Were the election to be held today, Mr. Boulanger surely could not prevail against any other candidate whomever. Gerard Boulanger was elected by fraud, and his claim to a seat on the council is based on fraud.
If Gerard Boulanger were serving in the U.S. House of Representatives, he would be censured for his conduct during the election campaign, and his conduct after; if he were serving in the Senate, he would be censured or expelled. Under Hercules City Council Rules of Procedure, Section 4.7, the city council has to power to impose similar discipline. I ask that you do so. Even better would be to refuse this swearing in, this proposed coronation of lies and schemes."
An hour or so after Doreen read this out, Gerard Boulanger was sworn in, and installed on the city council.
Joseph Catindig
2:30 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Thanks Glenn....we, together with a great number of Herculeans, share the same sentiments. It's a shame that he has not budged despite all the plea for him to step down and let the city council to either do business with 4 council members or appoint a citizen. This city will not move on with him in there. It just can't. If he really wants to help this city out, he needs to RESIGN. He has TO LET GO of his EGGO(Ego)!!!
Phil Simmons
2:30 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Glenn,
Thank you for the kind words. I do want to be clear about my position on the recall. I am only speaking for my participation. If others were more inclined to go after Balico and friends for what was deemed dishonesty then that is of course their choice and reason. I always try to give room for doubt over concerns of honesty. I view it much like we all should view crime, innocent until proven until guilty, and the punishment should fit the crime. I know it is not a pure ideology. But then, what really is?
Joseph Catindig
2:37 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
If the RECALL team interviewed candidates like they said they would initially, not only this Boulanger drama could have possibly been avoided ... We could have probably vetted the rightful candidate to go against Keuhne. I would have preferred this man for that slot. Yes, Phil, I have told you that a thousand times!!! I have distanced myself from the group ever since.
Glenn Abraham
2:56 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Joseph, hi. How do we know that ego is Boulanger's motivation for keeping his claws dug into the councilman's seat? How do we know that it isn't something more sinister? How can we know what he's REALLY after? We cannot (as we could with normal people) just ask him, because his proven capacity to lie would vitiate the possibility of veracity in anything he might say. What the hell are we supposed to DO with a guy like this? What good is he, to anyone? Some people clearly think that he's useful, but is he really? Who would ever do business with a known liar?
Susan D.Keeffe
9:11 pm on Tuesday, June 21, 2011
Richard,
The well documented reasons for the Recall can be found at wwwherculesrecall.com under "Background". As one of the original Recall team (there actually were 6 of us which became more)I can verify Phil Simmons' comments. There was discussion re Balico and conflict of interest and nepotism but then he resigned.This was a serious grassroots effort led by the remarkable Anton Jungherr and Lori Chinn. Now its time to move on. There is much to do.
Richard L.
9:44 pm on Tuesday, June 21, 2011
Sunsan, first off, thank you for what you did and the effort you put into the recall. I'm sure all citizens (well the ones that voted/were informed) are thankful. But, conflict of interest = dishonesty? I think so. To me, this recall included honesty regardless if it was spelled out or not in your documented reasons for the recall. Just because your original Recall team didn't see that as one of the reasons, doesn't mean others did not. I guess you're verifying to me what your Recall team decided on. I hate to harp on the issue of Mr. Boulanger lying but as he said in his candidate profile, "I understand the differences between private business and City Hall, but I also understand the things they should have in common: accountability, service, honesty and fiscal responsibility." HONESTY. It really is unfortunate that even when we, the city, do something positive, it is still tainted by something negative.
Richard L.
9:45 pm on Tuesday, June 21, 2011
Ah, sorry. Susan..not Sunsan.. my apologies
Phil Simmons
10:16 pm on Tuesday, June 21, 2011
Just one comment.
Don't doubt that I understand the concepts of honesty and dishonesty and I know fully the conflict of my views. My view of the recall effort was that even if (Even If) there was nepotism, conflict of interest, or a lack of transparency (anything short of criminal effort) the recall team considered all along the way any sign that some corrective action was afoot. There was much time spent considering s stop to the recall of one, two, or all three council people involved. It was fairly late in the effort before it was decided that there was no turning back. The recall had a momentum and life of its own.
But there was alway a chance that corrective action and efforts could happen and the plug might have been pulled on the whole effort.
Sorry if my view is not of the highest order. I will try to seek perfection in my own way.
G.C.
10:27 pm on Tuesday, June 21, 2011
Of course the recall was about dishonesty. The alternative view would have been to see the actions of concern as "honest" mistakes. We chose not to believe such was the case.
Phil Simmons
7:32 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Giorgio,
You and others may have chosen "not to believe such was the case". I did not. My efforts in the recall was about performance and results.
Glenn Abraham
2:38 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
"Now its time to move on. There is much to do."
Dear, sweet Susan: you know how much I value your friendship. But, here, you're asking the community to ignore what we know, to act as if it never happened, and to move on to other things. We should never forget. We've been warned: why erase the warning? And, yes, we have much to do; and, we can do it without the help of a person of dubious morality. We can remain true to our cause (which DID involve honesty), and keep ourselves worthy of self-respect. There is much to do, but I think we can still find time to try to get this guy off the council, and let the remaining four, all people of proven good character, do the much that there is to do.
Glenn Abraham
2:47 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
"...even if (Even If) there was nepotism, conflict of interest, or a lack of transparency...."
Dear-enough, not-excessively-sweetish Phil: We all know: there WAS nepotism, there WAS conflict of intest, the WAS a lack of transparency. But, you and I have discussed all this before, and I'm okay with your the-ends-justify-the-means rationale. I'm fine with you. My problem is with that Boulanger guy.
Phil Simmons
2:57 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Glenn,
No doubt the conflict.....
In the case of the previous group the ends did not justify the means. In fact the means sowed the seeds of destruction for the end.
In Gerards case for me the ends justifying the means is not really my rational. It is more the punishment fitting the crime, so to speak. Of course in some ways that is the ends justifying the means. Do we cut of the hand of the thief or do we at times put them on probation. I think the better way is the latter.
Out.... Gone Sailing,...
Glenn Abraham
4:05 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Phil, I'm not arguing with your argument about the appropriate punishment for Gerard (I am, but never mind.). For me, Gerard's punishment is not an issue. This is not about Gerard. This is about good, and clean, governance for Hercules. I don't see the potential exclusion of Gerard from the council as a punishment of him, but rather as a cure for us.
Enjoy the bay.
G.C.
6:16 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Phil,
The recall petition documents were heavy on very serious allegations. What was I supposed to think when I read them? The recall team communicated to me that acts of dishonesty and retaliation were being perpetrated by city council staff. That is how these documents were written and that is why I voiced my concerns about them. The words alone warranted immediate formal investigations that so far I have seen no evidence of. And now I hear that the recall was about the city being broken-some acts of incompetence.
That is not what the recall team communicated to the citizens.
The Educating Gossip
9:25 pm on Tuesday, June 21, 2011
Hercules voters were mislead at best, defrauded at worst by Boulanger and his intentional campaign misrepresentations. The recall took great effort, as the residents sought a more transparent and honest council. What does it get? An individual who is neither honest nor transparent in his campaign.
Mr. Boulanger, have respect for the voters and yourself...step down now. Do we have to mount a recall campaign of you at great expense to the city? Give us a break.
The Educating Gossip
9:36 pm on Tuesday, June 21, 2011
Elected officials hold a position of "public trust." When trust has been violated, leadership fails. Read more at
www.edugossip.com
--the Educating Gossip
Susan Tarvin
7:39 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Hey Patch: Are you going to add the links so that we can hear all the new council members speeches, and Myrna's presenttion? I see just Gerard's remarks, and those who opposed him, but I aqm hoping the others will be added soon. Thanks.
Ari Soglin
9:39 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
The other new council members' speeches will be added. We focused on capturing Boulanger's comments off the live feed last night and were unable to capture the other two. As soon as the city makes the recorded video available on its site, we'll grab those segments and post them. (It's not available as of 9:30 a.m.)
Phil Simmons
7:58 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Congratulations to all.
To Dan R, Bill W, and Gerard B for becoming councilmen.
To Myrna d V for becoming the Mayor.
To John D for becoming the Vice Mayor.
To Mick C for having the fortitude to stick with it until there is a new attorney.
To Fred D for finding his way to retirement. My guess is you will find yourself somewhere in the political arena.
To Doreen M for just being there all the time.
joseph Guadagne
8:39 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Patricia you must be delirious. First, what does having a masters degree have any connection with firing Charlie Long. Secondly Don holds a doctorate in chemical engineering. Does that make him any more qualified to fire someone? I think not. My advice to you is stay away from the nickel slots. :)
Susan Tarvin
10:11 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Thanks Ari....Appreciate your response.
Soman
10:16 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
I have to agree with Joseph on this one. Having your opinion, especially a negative one, read for you during a council meeting seems pretty tacky to me. I certainly understand not being able to make all of these meetings but the message would have been much better received had it been read by the author. That is one of my biggest issue with these type of forums. It allows people to express their opinions without the ownership of person to person contact. Hiding behind the anonymity of the internet is another.
Richard L.
10:35 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
I partly agree. However, I don't think it is Mr. Abraham hiding behind anonymity. I think everyone on here pretty much knows his name (for better or worse) and those his letter was directed at definitely know him as well. I sympathize for the guy though. He was one of the strongest supports of the Recall candidates and his passion was very evident for better or worse. Based on reading his posts, perhaps a friend as well to Mr. Boulanger. I think to myself now. If one of my friends betrayed, lied to me, conned me, and I felt compelled to write a letter with such passion, would I be able to deliver such a speech? I've known people to leave letters/notes at people's houses/desks because they did not want to be around when the other read what had to be said. Writing such a letter and making it public did take "some real brass sacks."
Soman
10:47 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
You're right Richard, I don't believe that Mr. Abraham was being anonymous especially since he uses his full name. My last sentence was just an added editorial comment not directed at anyone in particular. Thanks for the reply.
Glenn Abraham
3:23 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Richard: I had Doreen read my comment out because (1) I'm a very poor public speaker with a lisp and a habit of clearing my throat, and I wanted the message delivered by someone whose poise would allow listeners to concentrate on the message, and not on the speaker, and (2) at least for now, I cannot bear to be physically close to Gerard Boulanger. As you might have noticed, I despise him. I have nothing more to say to him: I've done all I could to convince him that he did something wrong, and that he should resign; he didn't listen to me before, he won't listen now. I only speak to those with the ethical character needed to realize that we have a problem, and we have an obligation to solve it. I have no need to deliver any more messages to Gerard Boulanger's face.
Susan D.Keeffe
10:23 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Steve,
Apparently The Patch has no Cyber Bully policy similar to Facebook's. All we can do is ignore or stop reading The Patch as it turns into a sort of online Enquirer.
Soman
10:27 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Excellent advice Susan. Which by the way is my normal approach but had to comment on this one.
Joseph Catindig
10:47 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Just for discussion's sake... Why should we let Boulanger take his seat? I know he worked hard for the Recall efforts(thanks to Jungherr for leading it) but lied to his teeth on his resume. I feel like we got rid of a group of lies and cheats then replace them with another one. What does that make this city look like....Aren't you guys worried about the reputation this city is building? I cannot even rejoice last night for the city seeing Boulanger in that chamber. I can't even congratulate him and I never will. I want this city to move on. I want these council members to go to work. But I feel like with him in there, none of these will happen. So please convince me, what is it that he could bring to this city now that his reputation is tarnished that many see him as distrustful. After all, the majority's, if not all, purpose of supporting the RECALL effort is about bringing transparency, honesty and dignity to our city hall. WARNING: Constructive comments only please---Enquirer type comments will not be read 8)
Glenn Abraham
3:32 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
"But I feel like with him in there, none of these will happen." Joseph, I agree. We had a huge victory. We elected four good people. Much more difficult, we ran a successful recall campaign, something which very rarely succeeds. We were a textbook case of grassroots democracy in action; "Hercules recall" could have been in the index of hundreds of history and political science and social studies books, far into the future. Now, we have to stick an asterisk on everything we've done. We had a famous victory; Boulanger's presence on the council ruins it.
Richard L.
10:52 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
There was bullying here? The only type of bullying I really saw was someone telling someone else to take their therapy somewhere else. I find it a little humorous that before a number of you Recall candidates supporters were so quick to start rumors about others and would just feed of each other. When the issue of Mr. Jones' bar having police calls made was brought up a number of you jumped on it as a reason to knock him but that was OK because it made whomever/whatever you supported looked better. When people brought up the idea that Mr. de la Vega was a "crony" of the old guard a number of you used that as a reason against him and that was OK because it made whomever/whatever you supported looked better. Now that people are talking against Mr. Boulanger all of a sudden the Patch is becoming irrelevant and an "online Esquire"? If anything, we became informed because of the Patch. While I'm on the topic, I think some people should thank and apologize to some of the candidates. Mr. Jones did not need his bar bad-mouthed on here and he is commended for taking the high road on this site. Same goes for Mr. de la Vega. From the get go, you tried to paint him as a crony of the old guard and chastised him for a campaign statement when all he was doing was trying to help the city. Thank you Patch, thank you all the candidates, thank you Dan and Bill.
Joseph Catindig
11:05 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Honestly, I find Boulanger arrogant and one selfish individual because from his previous interviews with the patch, He said that his decision to keep his seat will be based on what the people want. If I'm not mistaken, a number of people have requested for him, some nicely and some point blank, to step down and do the right thing. Obviously, he didn't listen to the will of the people. What is his purpose then for staying? Could it be EGO?
Glenn Abraham
3:44 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Richard: you've been paying very close attention to all this. You're right on all counts; I'm guilty on all counts, at least those which apply to me. I do think that I owe an apology to Mr. de la Vega. I still consider the issue of whether or not he signed the recall petition to be a valid indicator of whether Mr. de la Vega would have been the agent for change which I still believe we needed; I do not, though, feel very good about letting myself be used to spread a political message. I haven't changed my opinion about Mr. Jones. But I come away from this being disillusioned by two people, and disappointed by two others. I wasn't as smart as I thought I was, and I was overly credulous. Nonetheless, I am firm in my support of Dan Romero and Myrna de Vera (and I am only omitting John Delgado because I do not know him). I owe my newfound cynicism to others.
Soman
11:01 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Joseph, you make some excellent points. There is no way anyone can help to convince you that Mr. Boulanger will help move this city forward since we all process information in different ways. I know for myself that I am more tolerant of some issues while my wife is the exact opposite and visa versus. I am more result orientated and less caught up in the peripheral issues which may very well be a fault. It's all how we process and that can depend on many different influences (i.e. personality, past experience, work, etc). I'm sure there are others out there that can provide much better advice.
Joseph Catindig
12:01 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Thanks Steve! I appreciate your reasonable and well thought of a response.
joseph Guadagne
11:45 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Just to clarify: Richard: I never once said Glen was hiding behind anonymity. Those of us who worked on the Recall know Glen. There were many ardent supporters of the Recall: Glen was one among many. Do not place the title of most ardent supporter on Glen. That would be a disservice to the others.
Also, we seem to rehashing the same tired arguments. Haven't gotten it out of your systems yet?
Finally, in regards to Joseph's comment ; "why should we let Gerard take his seat." He already has.
Time to move on.
Richard L.
11:56 am on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Just to clarify: I wasn't directing my comment to you Mr. Guadagne. It was to Steve which is why my post was a reply to his and he kindly clarified what he was saying. Thanks.
Lee
8:44 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Thanks Richard L. Don't forget all the ragging on Sherry that was done too.
Susan D.Keeffe
12:41 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Richard,
My apologies. I didn't mean to imply you are a Cyber Bully. My understanding of that term, and correct me if I'm wrong,
is that is a person who hides behind a pseudonym to hurl personal insults at others. You do not fit that description at all. I find your remarks intelligent and thoughtful. You stick to the issues which I appreciate. I may not agree with you on all points but that doesn't matter. You are a gentleman in all your posts and certainly not a bully.
joseph Guadagne
3:27 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Well Ari, you were easily able to fan the embers. I fear the fuel will quickly burn out.
Once again Glen, your Obsession has sucked all the air out of the room. It is turning into the Glen show!
Your personal attacks on Gerard and talking about "who would do business with such a liar," is just about to cross the line. When you turn your crazy rant into attacks on a persons lively hood, this is where all those on this blog should disassociate themselves with you! I am now convinced your vindictiveness is bordering on the crazy!
Joseph Catindig
3:38 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
JoeG, Glenn is referring to city council related "business" and not his livelihood as a carpet cleaner. I think his comments were not meant to attack Gerard personally. I think it's for him to listen, not to the few of his advisers, but to the will of the people, and not particularly just Glenn's. They are honest and valid sentiments just like how others feel about this whole Boulanger fiasco.
Richard L.
4:23 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Am I missing something? What did Ari do?
G.C.
8:03 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Glenn's words have so eloquently articulated the concept of knowing and understanding the difference between right and wrong and the passionate feelings for wanting "right" to prevail. Right has to prevail for Glenn, myself, and for all citizens of Hercules, including Mr. Boulanger.
Lee
4:22 pm on Saturday, June 25, 2011
Why Richard, can't you plainly see? Ari fanned the embers! Fire! Fire!
Glenn Abraham
8:09 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Tom Lochner's latest article on the Boulanger scandal is now available online: http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_18332610?IADID=Search-www.contracostatimes.com-www.contracostatimes.com I think that anyone who is sufficiently interested in Hercules to be following the political threads on the Patch will want to read this. Very slowly, the noose is beginning to tighten.
Btw: Giorgio, thanks.
G.C.
9:00 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Glenn,
Don't beat yourself up for helping Mr. B get elected. You also helped Mr. Romero and Mr. Wilkins win their seats. For that, I am very grateful. We have a very fine council of 4. Thank you.
Glenn Abraham
9:26 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Again, thanks, Giorgio. No need for me to beat myself up; some of my erstwhile recall colleagues are doing a fine job of that for me. A few formerly-righteous recall supporters are rediscovering the primacy of practicality over ethics. A very righteous indignation over wrongdoing has become a very rationalizing shrug of if-it-works-for-me,-what-the-hell?
John Loudermilk
8:40 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Seems that the recall folks who no longer admit to being a part of the no longer existing club refuse to denounce Gerard since he represents their point of view. Glenn hit the nail one the head in all instances. As long as Gerard votes on issues the way they desire, he will get no flack from them. He has been bought and paid for.
Susan D.Keeffe
3:13 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
John,
As I have noted here, you are expressing this opinion based on....? Are you implying the majority of volunteers and recall volunteers have in some way bribed Gerard? Do you know all the recallers and all the volunteers and their various views on all the issues? And what "club" are you referring to? I belonged to no card carrying, dues paying, volunteer/recall club and still don't. In fact, I regret very much the Recall Leadership team, of which I was a member, disbanded after the Recall and did not devise a process to vet possible candidates as had been discussed. We certainly should have done that!
Toni Leance
9:22 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
@ John I consider myself part of the club I was very active in the recall and I have called publicly for Gerard to step down. So don't think everyone in the entire no longer exsiting club feel it is ok to lie to get the job. I think Gerard sitting on the council goes against everything we as a group tried to change. I unlike Phil think it was about honesty and integrity. I think that matters. That Gerard didn't even have the guts to say anything about the antics that got him to his seat speaks volumes about how nonchalant he feels about his actions.
Glenn Abraham
9:32 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Welcome, Toni, to our very small group. Many of our former recall colleagues suddenly no longer share our view that right and wrong are real, and that right is better.
G.C.
9:49 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
When you feel strongly enough about something, being solo in a group of 1 works for me.
Goodnight fellow citizens of Hercules.
Susan D.Keeffe
3:05 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Glenn,
You are making an assumption regarding your former colleagues based on what? The fact they don't post?
Toni Leance
9:52 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
@ Glenn I am disappointed that more recallers are not appalled by Gerard and publicly renounce him.
I am surprised in fact that many defend him. It is troubling.
Glenn Abraham
11:38 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Toni: the defenses of Boulanger, and his "right" to stay in office, are the most incredible aspect of the Great Betrayal of these suddenly-pragmatic recall campaigners. Time to move on, we have work to do, inappropriate punishment, honesty is not an issue...these righteous recallers never said that about Balico. Amazing, this flight from morality, from these former crusaders for the triumph of right over wrong. I'm still hoping that they're a minority; but, I'm slowly discovering that some of that minority are from the leadership.
Glenn Abraham
11:42 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Disclaimer: nothing in the preceding is intended to apply to Phil Simmons who, I think, has principles (possibly somewhat different from mine), and has remained true to them.
John Loudermilk
9:55 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
@ Toni - I supported the recall as well however I couldn't vote for Gerard. I shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush. I know some people are disgusted and have spoke out as you have and many have bit their tongues and said nothing. We now have 4 competent council persons and 1 toxic place holder. We are in better shape now then we were before the recall. It's a shame that we don't have 5 keepers.
Susan D.Keeffe
3:03 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
John,
I agree. And there will be another election November,2012.
Glenn Abraham
8:02 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Sue, the fact that the election will be held in nov '12 is no excuse whatsoever for keeping that seat filled with boulanger for 17 or 18 months. The other four, proven honest, can give the city everything it needs. Having a crate full of boulanger going bad on a council seat will spoil the whole thing.
And, no, this is not a personal attack. It's a general commentary on the whole lot of recall hypocrites (probably a minority, but a loud one) who thought that lying was bad when Balico did it (cuz he wasn't gonna give you anything you wanted) but cool when your guy does it (cuz he's gonna serve your personal goals). Pure hypocrisy. But I single out you and Phil for special exemption. You two are very complicated hypocrites. I will not attack you. The rest are simple hypocrites, and should be ashamed of themselves.
Toni Leance
10:08 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
it is too bad that more don't speak out. But look at the numbers 6000 signed up for the recall, 3000 and change voted, we have 12,000 registered voters???
APATHY and it is this apathy that allows a minority to rule a majority. Apathy allows tyrants to seize power and despots to rule. Apathy destroys democracy.
Truth matters.
Susan D.Keeffe
2:34 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Toni,
Folks shouldn't assume that because many haven't posted here they are not hurt and disappointed by recent events. The majority of the volunteers we worked with do not post on the Patch for a variety of reasons including fear of being flamed when they do. The very few of us who do post here always run that risk, and we do get flamed from time to time and that is painful. The point is bloggers should not assume they know the feelings of the Recall volunteers and campaign volunteers just because they are not posting.
Glenn Abraham
2:50 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Susan, I never meant to imply that most recall folk are okay with Boulanger's dishonesty. I'm only aware of the confirmed opinions of a half dozen, and the unconfirmed opinions of another half dozen. But you only mention people being "hurt and disappointed" by "recent events" (why is this in code?). Boulanger hurt and disappointed EVERYBODY. My concern is with those formerly-moral recallers who are now rationalizing and prevaricating and modifying and redefining and euphemizing and doing anything else they can come up with in order to be able to realize the material personal benefits of doing business with a person known to be a serial liar and schemer, who can (as proven by the events of June 15) be counted on to continue lying and scheming. These recallers, the once-righteous, are spinning the world upside down when they redefine honesty as an unnecessary value.
Phil Simmons
10:36 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Georgio, Glenn, John, Toni, Richard, Lee, and I suppose a handful more,
Please understand I do not dispute any of your various views concerning this matter. You are in the purest sense right to have those views. I am never one to say let's agree to disagree. I do not disagree with much of your views. I understand your view. I have no expectation that you should understand mine.
But, I simply do not believe that the actions taken by Gerard rises to the level implied. Yes it was wrong. No it should not be ignored. But at what price for Gerard and at what price for the city. It is an imperfect world.
I also can only speak for my efforts in the recall. I will say again that I know for a fact that no matter if the recall was about dishonesty, nepotism, poor judgement , or incompetence, had those that were recalled taken corrective actions early on, the recall would have stopped or at the least I would have stopped participating.
Again your views are valid and understandable. I hope that you are all able to hold that same level for your own actions and through your on endeavors. I hope that you never fall below the bar that you have set. Most people do in some way, perhaps not in the public eye, but in some way.
The moral of the story is that trust, friendship, love, and all the rest are often broken. It is the nature of man. The search for the Grail did not restore the kingdom.
Toni Leance
7:59 am on Thursday, June 23, 2011
I would fall far below the bar but I didn't run for office and didn't put myself out there for public scrutiny. If I did run I wouldn't say I had a masters when I don't I wouldn't say I held office when I didn't not just because it isn't true but because in this day and age it is way too easy to verify. When your found out you loose credibility and that is all you really have as a politician. You also loose any political capital you may have gained. You ask at what price to Gerard and what price to the city I would say the price for Gerard is to step down the price for the city none, tell me what Gerard can accomplish that the four other council member can't? What does he bring to the table that is so valuable that we can ignore his deception? I hope it isn't just the waterfront because I believe that others on the council are friends of the waterfront and what to see it built just a badly as Gerard.
Glenn Abraham
9:02 am on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Toni: do we really know that Boulanger wants the waterfront? How do we know that there isn't another, more sinister reason for his clinging so tightly to that chair on our council? Should we just ask him what he wants? Would any answer of his, on this or on any other matter, matter?
G.C.
8:36 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Phil,
I like your approach to life. Keep on sharing your well-meaning thoughts-words. I'm not saying I want to change 180 degrees, but if some of your well-balanced approached rubbed off on me, it probably wouldn't hurt.
I will add that some of this, Mr. Boulanger has brought upon himself. He has shown no evidence of compassion or forgiveness in recent months for the 2 recalled officers. In many ways, he himself helped foster an atmosphere that is unforgiving. Perhaps I was primed by him to report him for his misconduct. Irony.
Thanks for taking the time, Phil.
Phil Simmons
11:10 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Giorgio,
Thank you, of course, for your comment.
I want to take this as a pause in this fair debate and during the pause bring up a couple of completely off topic issues.
There is a WCCTAC meeting at the San Pablo Court House tomorrow at 8:00AM. Hercules stands to gain $300k in funding for the train station effort. Hopefully a few from Hercules will attend in an effort to show support and concern and retain this money for the city.
There is also an effort afoot to organize public concern about the outcome of Sycamore North. Rumor has it that the current direction of its potential sale will not have a good outcome. Everyone should stay tuned to future communications about this. The community is going to need to express it's concerns to the city council with at least the same vigor as the Gerard debate. Please stay tuned for what might be the most important decision this city has to make in defining its future.
Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
joseph Guadagne
10:57 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Many citizens have approached me, and told me they feel the same as I do: that the punishment does not fit the crime. 'But, they remain quiet because they are afraid they will be chastised, bullied or told how they should be feeling...indignant, duped, or outraged!!! But they don't! They feel that their Herculean effort to recall counted for something! I for one do not care to have my vote filtered through your self-righteousness! The hand full of complainers on the patch are entertaining at best: a few pathetic. But, it is a free society and you do have a right to your opinions; as do those who are of a different mind. You seem to be trying to get everyone else to feel and think like you. The same people who were on the Patch prior to the election complaining are the same complaining now. Does that tell you anything folks. As stated earlier, this both entertaining and sad. If Glen goes postal I will hold those who feed into his fantasy of absolute right and wrong responsible.
Toni Leance
11:21 pm on Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Joseph there is no punishment Gerard took his place on the council all is right with the world.
Joseph Catindig
12:42 am on Thursday, June 23, 2011
The only fantasy who's being fed into right now is Gerard's, still believing he is the rightful owner of a seat in the council. He won the election by committing fraud. Plain and simple, he needs to give it up. What made him so special that a handful of people are encouraging him to hold on? What can he bring to the city that others can't? One thing I know he can't bring is trust.
Glenn Abraham
1:09 am on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Joseph: I'm not sure what made Boulanger so special that he is being defended by people who apparently appreciated the difference between right and wrong only seventeen days ago, but it's possible that a few of those people only see wrong in the acts of people who don't serve their interests, and are incapable of seeing (or caring about) wrong in those who might further their interests. Boulanger may do a lot of good for people who support waterfront development, and some of those people seem to be rapidly revising their definitions of goodness.
Boulanger is not the rightful owner of that seat, but he's desperately clinging to it. He wants it, but we don't yet know what he wants it for. We'll all find out when, sooner or later, Tom Lochner starts writing about it.
Joseph Catindig
1:23 am on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Glenn, I support the waterfront development too but I do not want him nowhere near negotiations between developers and the city as he might do us more harm than good. Remember, he's not trustworthy and trust goes a long way. If I was the developer, would I want him to be around?.....Hell to the No!
Glenn Abraham
8:44 am on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Joseph: I support the waterfront too, but there's nothing I want badly enough to sell my soul to get it, or if there is, it sure isn't Boulanger. As you pointed out, when I said that no one would be willing to do business with him, I was talking about city council business. I, as a developer, would not enter into an agreement with a known cheat. I, as a councilmember, would not trust him with the information necessary to accomplish anything. I think that those people who see practical personal advantage to keeping Boulanger in power may be surprised to find that his presence on the council hinders, rather than helps, them to get what they want. Hindrance or help, having Boulanger on the council is wrong, and that is enough.
joseph Guadagne
12:54 am on Thursday, June 23, 2011
2:52am on Thursday, June 23, 2011
You are up late Joseph. Try looking at it as half full instead of half empty. Maybe it's only a handful of people who are encouraging him to resign. You ever think of that? Wow.
Off to Oregon in the a few hours. Hold down the fort while I'm gone :)
G.C.
5:50 am on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Joseph G,
We are just having a discussion. We are not going postal. We are not doing anything wrong. You should be more concerned about what might have been the intentional leaking of the complaint document against Mr. Boulanger to the media. The release of this document never went through the proper channels, via the city clerk's office.
G.C.
6:34 am on Thursday, June 23, 2011
A citizen has a legal right to file a complaint against a candidate (seated or otherwise) if they believe they have violated the law. The now seated candidate has a legal right to not be harassed. City Administrative Policy #44 prohibits harassment, discrimination, and retaliation against all city employees, officials, officers, employees and contractors.
Joseph Catindig
1:05 am on Thursday, June 23, 2011
JoeG, since you're an avid supporter of Boulanger like I once was, answer my question, what can he bring to the xity that others can't?
Glenn Abraham
9:12 am on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Thanks to the Patch, we know that Boulanger lied about his education and his political experience. Does anyone believe that these are the ONLY lies he ever told, and that the election campaign was the ONLY occasion for lying? What else don't we know? One thing I've been told about Boulanger would, if correct, take the lies back at least 12 years. Do we have any reason to think he's ready to stop lying now? His denial to Myrna de Vera and John Delgado on June 15 was a lie, and it came AFTER the campaign. It was a lie directed to securing his political FUTURE. Is there anyone capable of determining which of his future comments are lies and which are truth? If there isn't, how can we be safe with him on the council?
Glenn Abraham
12:28 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Thank you, Patricia. I guess we're a new kind of candy. Peanuts in bitter chocolate, beneath a now-necessary hard shell. In response to your post:
-I don't know if the punishment fits the crime, and I don't care. The issue isn't Boulanger's punishment, it's Hercules' rescue from Boulanger. The consequences to Boulanger are irrelevant, and in any event, well-earned;
-"... believing his resume padding might have existed before he was a candidate and I needed to see if he would step down . I wanted to know if he was asked or or did he volunteer...." I don't know when the résumé-padding began, but one thing I was told would take it back at least 12 years, though for a different purpose. I do know that two people close to him told me, early in the campaign, that Boulanger's attitude was that his past was own own private affair, and nobody's business but his. That seemed humorous then, someone running for public office and insisting on a private life. Seems more ominous now. I do not know if was asked to join or if he volunteered (I assume you're referring to the recall campaign), but he was one of the early leaders, and he worked really, really hard.
btw: You've obviously read my posts carefully before responding to them, and I appreciate that. It avoids the sort of ugliness that came from a more reckless reader, some 20+ posts back.
G.C.
6:17 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
The punishment is a misdemeanor, not a felony. According to the Contra Costa Times, there is a high likelihood that he will not even be prosecuted. The biggest punishment might have been publishing this complaint in the news, which the city council decided was acceptable.
His life will be fine.
Susan D.Keeffe
2:56 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Glenn,
I made a typo so am redoing this. Gerard volunteered to run for office. And, yes, he did work really really hard. My concern seems to be there are assumptions being made regarding Recall volunteers and campaign volunteers because they have chosen not to post their feelings here. In fact, very few of those folks do post for fear of being flamed. Those few of us who do post have been flamed and it is painful. But because they do not post on The Patch is in no way an indication of how they feel and view recent events. There are a lot of assumptions regarding this being made and until and unless many of those who do not post, choose to do so, assumptions regarding their views remain assumptions, not facts.
Glenn Abraham
8:19 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Sue, I am making no assumptions about those recallers who do not post. There were hundreds of them, and I'm fairly confident that they're as opposed to having Boulanger in that seat as I am. I'm concerned with the bunch who loudly applauded Phil's dishonesty-doesn't-matter address at the special meeting last Tuesday. I wasn't there, I didn't see which people were banging their palms together. My assumption about them is this, and I've said it a number of times already: the righteous recallers were howling about Balico's lies. When the other guy, who wasn't doing much for the waterfront or other pet projects of the handclappers, lied, that was awful. And it was. But when their guy gets caught, it's cool, because he can provide those folks with what they, personally, want. That is pure hypocrisy. You can't lie, but I can, because it's different, because of translation barriers, because the French system (which is not exactly Borneo) is so vastly different from the American (it is not) that you simple Americans can never understand the equivalents. It's different because he worked for the recall; it's different because, so far as we know, he only lies and schemes, and doesn't steal. We're only just beginning to learn the truth about him, but we don't know of any theft, so we'll assume he won't steal (though we're not quite sure why he wants that seat so badly), so it's different...
Glenn Abraham
8:23 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
...It's different because he supports the waterfront. "Truth" and ""lie" are defined differently for our side and their side. To clear that council seat of an incompetent but probably-honest fool, we installed a clearly-dishonest schemer of unproven competence, and that's okay. It can all be explained away.
I am most assuredly NOT making assumptions about all recallers. My assumptions are devoted to Tuesday's handclappers and the handful who post excuses for Boulanger on the Patch. The recall folk were good folk. The handclappers and dissemblers should be ashamed of themselves.
Susan D.Keeffe
3:57 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Glenn,
Apparently The Patch won't let me "reply" to a "reply". Anyway, I don't understand "code"? Of course everyone was stunned by what has happened but your post was aimed specifically at the Recall Leadership Team and volunteers, and hardly any of those folks ever post on The Patch (and for good reason). If you feel there are some of those folks who are doing some sort of "business" with Gerard, making money, working deals, etc., I think we do need to know specifically who they are. The City of Hercules has had enough of no-bid contracts and back-door deals and closed door meetings. Do you mean me because Gerard is a neighbor, a friend and he does do work for me from time to time? If you are including me, please know that while I can not support Gerard as a Councilman, I am not personally willing to excoriate someone I have known for ten years or stop having him clean my carpets, do repairs, clean windows, etc. because he has made a mistake. I understand you feel differently and I respect your opinion, but I have a different view of friendship.
Glenn Abraham
8:36 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Sue, you're going to have to provide the post in which I said "code". There are too many for me to scroll back. Everyone was stunned, yes, but everyone has had time to get over their shock and get to work on the first priority, which is cleansing the council of Boulanger, a stain partly caused by us. I am NOT attacking the recall leadership team (and as for volunteers, see the preceding). Phil was a leader, he is stumbling around in search of excuses, but that's okay with me, because I know Phil well enough to know that he is good and means well. Same for you. Exactly the opposite for Guadagne. Who else is telling us to forget and move on? I can't think of any offhand. Guadagne is not the leadership. Boulanger is, and you can considered him attacked. Okay, Bill and Dan don't post much, so I have no criticism for them. Same for Anton. Anyhow, no, I am NOT attacking the leadership and I am NOT attacking the volunteers. I am criticizing the handful of hypocrites amongst our righteous crusaders.
You know perfectly well that I never in any way suggested that I know of any people conducting any sort of deals with Boulanger. I do not mean you (can't imagine why you want to take this public), or, at least, I don't mean you because...
Glenn Abraham
8:41 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
...of your friendship with Boulanger. You can be his friend, but why do you have to support his occupying a seat on our city council by talking of moving on and waiting for the next election? You don't have to excoriate him, but you don't have to ask the rest of us to Let It Be. I probably do not have different attitudes toward friendship than you, but I don't see any excuse for offering excuses that could let your friend do harm to your other friends. Can't you be his friend in the neighborhood but not on the council?
Richard L.
4:35 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Recall supporters are afraid of getting "flamed"? Things really have changed on here. I remember before the election when Recall supporters were jumping on anyone who went against what they supported. Susan is right, it is painful when people get flamed on which is why I was kind of shocked prior to the election at how Recall supporters were so negative towards candidates for things aside from the City issues. I bet they, along with their friends and family, were in pain reading some of the crap written here. And I actually did meet friends and family of the various candidates who communicated to me so. I won't speak for others, but the big reason I am so against Mr. Boulanger sitting on the council is because of how hypocritical it all is. Don't get things twisted, this had a lot to do about dishonesty. Recall supporters were preaching change in City Hall, gaining the trust back of the citizens. And now we have someone who admittedly lied and people think it's okay? We should just move on and forget it because there's work to do? Think if Mr. Jones, Ms. McCoy, or Mr. de la Vega had won but admitted they lied. Would you really be saying it's okay, we should move on, we have a lot of work to do. I don't know if it's because he supports your interests or you are friends with Mr. Boulanger or some other reason, but I highly doubt if one of the other three had won on false pretenses, you would still think it was okay.
Susan D.Keeffe
5:26 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Richard,
Yes. The majority of the Recall Volunteers and a good portion of the Leadership group rarely actually post on the Patch and I doubt they will begin now. My point merely is to make suppositions regarding their views because they don't post may not accurately reflect their views at all. I am one of those few who actually did post actively on behalf of the candidates I supported. I don't know how far back Patch keeps blogs in archive but you can see my posts there, all of them. I use my real name so you can find my comments easily. And I have been very badly flamed to the point I was thinking of consulting an attorney. It is very hard to post here. As far as I know the debate can still be viewed, the Interim City Manager reports where the 44 Studio stuff came from can still be found on the Hercules website, and the comments regarding other candidates' participation and involvement prior to the Recall can be researched. For my part,I have met all but one of the other candidates' and know they are good people. I have enjoyed my conversations with them. Nothing has changed because Gerard lied. Folks thinking about running in November, 2012 have plenty of time now to get involved, attend Council meetings, subcommittee meetings, etc. and prepare. And I am sure I will be referring to Tom Lochner's articles as they appear, and pleading for a debate, just as I did before.
Susan D.Keeffe
5:35 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Richard,
I ran out of room. In response to your question re Gerard. I have posted, many times, that I have known him for over ten years first as someone who cleaned my carpets and who performed good service in that regard, and in the last 5 years as a neighbor and as a friend who has willingly helped me when I needed it. I advocated for him strongly, contributed, held up his signs, supported him. I freely admit those of us who were active in the Recall movement had originally planned to vet candidates and I wish we had. We disbanded right after winning. I never asked Gerard about his past, I just knew him as a hard worker who cared about his City. I was very hurt by what happened. I posted my response at the time and indicated I could no longer advocate folks voting for him. But I think we can feel good about the Recall, and we can feel good about the other four Council members. Of course winning on false pretenses is wrong. Did I say or imply anything to give an impression I thought otherwise? I also am not sure about what interests you think I have? But I can tell you what they are. I am for the Waterfront development and hopefully eventually the ITC as a part of that. I am opposed to nepotism, cronyism, no-bid contracts and Sycamore North as it currently is configured and stands. I would love to see it torn down frankly. Those are my interests. I would love to see the truth uncovered and if criminality is involved, those guilty go to jail.
Glenn Abraham
8:51 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Sue, once again, I want to make clear that I do NOT consider you worthy of censure for anything. I do think that Boulanger has you under his spell, but I am not criticizing anything you did, either during the recall or during the election or after. You were NOT a target of any of my criticism. Guadagne sure as hell was; there are a few others I suspect are worthy of criticism, but I'm not sure about them so have never named them. You are on the side of the angels, and I know that. Really.
John Loudermilk
5:33 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
It all depends on what side of the equation you are on and the side of your mouth you chose to use today.
Susan D.Keeffe
8:49 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Glenn,
Of course I can separate friendship from the issue of Gerard's seat. Where did I say he should stay on or I supported him staying on?
G.C.
9:19 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
What kind of relationship does Mr. Boulanger have with the developers? Because he lied, I can't trust him. His letter to Chief Deltorchio regarding the words of Mr. Abetkov was leaked and it was the kind of letter that someone with a strong connection to the developers would write. Was it intentionally leaked? By Mr. Boulanger himself?
I do not know who to trust around here. My trust might begin to be restored if we start by not electing liars to office.
G.C.
10:05 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
Mayor De Vera's sister Lorna is also helping to publish-spread the complaint document that was leaked by the city council.
http://storify.com/radiantview/gerard-boulanger-of-hercules-california-recall-mov
So much for a formal process.
Phil Simmons
11:12 pm on Thursday, June 23, 2011
ummmm?
G.C.
4:48 am on Friday, June 24, 2011
Hmm. The webpage has vanished into thin air.
G.C.
6:04 am on Friday, June 24, 2011
The webpage even had a quote of Ms. DeVera asking Mr. Boulanger if he was concerned about the Filipinos "rocking the Hercules vote." Is that what Hercules government is about? Racial and ethnic cliques?
Much of my family lives in the city of Chicago, around Midway airport. The way it works there is that they have 50 aldermen who represent 50 wards. The 50 aldermen comprise the City Council. Everyone is getting some degree of representation.
Is that the case in Hercules? Is everyone being represented? Are African-Americans being represented? Indians? Asians? Hispanics? Caucasian? Eastern-European? Jews? Muslims? Catholics? Christians?
Or are we a small enough city where we can just focus on representing the citizens of Hercules, regardless of race or ethnicity or religion or creed?
Myrna de Vera
9:35 am on Friday, June 24, 2011
Giorgio,
I don't know what to say. I have nothing to do with that webpage you saw, nor did I ever ask Mr. Boulanger about the Filipinos "rocking the Hercules vote." I never even saw that website you are talking about. I have absolutely nothing to do with my sister's webpage, if that is what you were referring to. I asked her to bring it down because it was inappropriate of her to make remarks about my fellow Council Member. Thank you for alerting me to this matter.
Your attacking me as though I am only for Filipino Americans is unsubstantiated. I represent every single of the 25,000 Herculeans.
This sniping about alleged remarks or quotes is not helping me, nor are the accusations that I somehow leaked your complaint to Patch. If you had a problem about a leak at city hall, please file a formal complaint to the city manager and demand an investigation instead of accusing "Sherry McCoy's friend" or other innuendos you have been posting in Patch.
Giorgio, I wish everyone and you can move on and support the Council into focusing on the many heavy tasks ahead instead of stirring up new controversies.
G.C.
5:11 pm on Friday, June 24, 2011
Mayor De Vera,
I am in the process of seeking to have you and the rest of the council review and address this matter, making necessary corrections if necessary, so that it does not repeat itself. Thank you.
G.C.
5:29 pm on Friday, June 24, 2011
Mayor De Vera,
Regarding the comment on the webpage, perhaps you can clarify what was meant by it. Personally, I like to discuss race and ethnicity and everything else that goes into society. I know you do not only represent Filipinos, but the quote raised the issue, not me. Was it your sister's quote, not yours? The conversation that took place at the church-that quote. Was the comment about Mr. Boulanger fearing such? All I did was continue the dialogue that was posted on the webpage.
Let's all be comfortable discussing this stuff, ok? I moved here because of the diversity. Let's not change.
Myrna de Vera
5:35 pm on Friday, June 24, 2011
Giorgio, yes, that was my sister's comment and experience with Gerard Boulanger. I do not share her feelings about that so I told her to remove the website because people like you may misunderstand that I share her beliefs. Yes, like you, I enjoy our community's diversity and I do not wish to be implicated that I represent only my ethnicity, which has been discussed in Patch a lot.
G.C.
6:04 pm on Friday, June 24, 2011
Mayor De Vera,
I love my sisters as I bet you love yours. She didn't do anything wrong. She just shared her thoughts just like I share mine. Either of my sisters might have done the same. Let's hear it for our sisters!
Maybe race and ethnicity is one of those things to only be discussed amongst friends or handled by sociologists or a very tactful comedian, not on blogs.
Regarding the complaint, I'll be honest right here, Mayor. At first, I thought it was a positive thing when I saw that my complaint had reached the press because I thought that meant it would be addressed instead of just being buried. And some things didn't add up.
Then I thought about Mr. Boulanger and his family and how terrible it was to see this in print. Next, I thought about myself-how come no one told me about it before posting it. It started to look like my complaint was possibly used to treat Mr. Boulanger in a way that I believed crossed the line. I didn't want to be part of that.
Seriously Mayor, some of us rely on our elected officials to help us not cross the line. We need to maintain a civilized society, even when addressing what we know to be improper or unlawful behavior. I hate to say it, Mayor, but you are being held to pretty high standard.
I'll address the compliant issue as a "lessons learned" for all involved so that we can move forward.
G.C.
10:14 am on Saturday, June 25, 2011
Mayor De Vera,
No need to censor your sister's webpage or anyone else's. Your other sister has the same information posted on hers. I support freedom of speech, except for matters of a legal-confidential nature. Thanks.
Myrna de Vera
5:39 pm on Friday, June 24, 2011
Giorgio, thank you for raising this matter about the possible leak at City Hall. Please bring it up during the council meeting in the public comment session, or e-mail the Council regarding your concerns and we will investigate and have a process in place so this does not happen again. I appreciate your concerns about making sure we are all accountable at city hall. Thank you again.
RJ
6:14 pm on Friday, June 24, 2011
Glenn Abraham, why do you not speak up in the public comment part of the council meetings. You have been ranting and raving in this forum for weeks, yet silent at the meetings. If you feel so strong on Councilmember Boulanger remaining on the council, why don't you start a grass-root recall movement and start gathering signatures. Your rants are like a jilted lover and you won't be happy till you've destroyed Boulanger. Go get those signatures, it will relieve your pressure or something.
Glenn Abraham
6:37 am on Saturday, June 25, 2011
Thank you, Patricia. In any event, my comments are directed only to the more intelligent readers, those who, like you, read carefully before jumping into a flaming conclusion.
G.C.
7:14 am on Saturday, June 25, 2011
Glenn,
I figured a reply to his comment wasn't worth additional wear and tear on my computer keys. I'll reserve my replies for the intelligent.
Glenn Abraham
7:20 am on Saturday, June 25, 2011
Giorgio: good point. But I thought of it as being a reply to Patricia, who is well worth replying to.
G.C.
7:38 am on Saturday, June 25, 2011
I agree.
G.C.
6:32 am on Sunday, July 3, 2011
Dear Mayor de Vera,
I followed your instructions and have now been informed after investigation of the incident that a leak was very likely, possibly on the part of the city council or upper management. I thank your team for taking the time to review this matter. I do realize that many of us (myself included) can demonstrate a lapse of judgement when confronted with matters that we feel strongly about. Let's all learn from this and move on. Now, more than ever, we need to stick together. I apologize to you for not following this more appropriate avenue for addressing this matter sooner. Thank you for your understanding.